In 1998 Ryan Leaf was in contention to be the #1 pick in the NFL draft. In the end, Peyton Manning went 1 and Ryan Leaf went 2. Manning went on to become one of the most celebrated players in the games history, whereas Leaf was out of the game within 4 years and just over a decade later he spent several years in Montana state penitentiary.

That journey of the extreme highs to extreme lows was ultimately what was required for Ryan to build himself into the person he is today. He's now a happily married father of 2, whose answer on the point of life is to devote himself to his 4.

We spoke a lot about his rebuild over the past 10 years, where he has taught himself how to focus on the things he can control and learn to show extreme gratitude for all that he has - as opposed to focusing on what he doesn't. He speaks about his understand of God, and what it means to surrender to a higher power even if he can't contemplate who or what that is. In talking about the journey to get here, we spoke a lot about how failure and suffering can help us to gain perspective. And to top it all off, we got a cameo appearance from Ryan's eldest son McGyver who had just arrived home from school!

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Unlike most of us in the West who grow up in a predominately Christian society, Mesh grew up in the minority Coptic community in the majority Muslim country of Egypt. When she came to Australia as an adult, it was her husbands search for faith that led her to truly question what was ultimately a cultural belief system. She spent many years as a 'church nomad' and in recent years became convinced that the Catholic Church is indeed the true Church of God.

Though I first became a believer within a Catholic Church, I have been a 'protestant' for most of my believing life and would consider myself 'anti-Catholic' like many other Christians who look at Rome as a counterfeit religion. In past episodes I have been openly critical of Catholicism and whilst I've never questioned the faith of many of its people, I am highly critical of the papacy and many other elements of the Church. This episode was very interesting for me, because I have gotten to know Mesh and believed many things that she did before I learned that she was Catholic. In having discussions, she has forced me to reconsider some of my presuppositions which have been influenced by culture and society. Whilst I still reject Catholicism, this was a chance to have an open and honest conversation about things where maybe what I currently believe are wrong.

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My background is broad, but around 5 years ago with no prior experience I did something which might seem very unusual and became involved in the death industry when I co-founded a funeral business. It's been one of the most rewarding businesses that I've been involved in and one of the great lessons has been that death can teach us so much about life.

I wanted to bring a guest on the show who is an expert in this space and could share their experiences, so I reached out to one of the world leading death doulas Sarah Kerr who was all too willing to share her insights. Sarah is the Founder of the Centre for Sacred Deathcare and an expert on dying.

We spoke about the role of rituals and her views on the supernatural elements of what happens when a person dies.

You can find more of Sarah's content at her website.

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