Dawn Walton, a human therapist, and Jess Probst, a dog behaviourist, sit in Dawn's car down by the River Tay and talk about all the different versions of ourselves we have and how it's ok to wear different hats in different circumstances.

The counter to this 'lack of authenticity' is connection and purpose / hope.

Jess is also trying to cut out sugar as she has learned of the damage it can do to our brains. This means she is going through a detox, and so there is a discussion about addiction etc.

And of course there is the normal meandering through random subjects!

Dawn Walton, a human therapist, and Jess Probst, a dog behaviourist, sit outside Starbucks, in the sunshine, and discuss stress. Is it different from fear? How do we recognise a stressed state in dogs and humans, and how do we change it? They also discuss a series of videos that Dawn made, that Jess refers to as a ‘Me-Me’ which makes Dawn giggle every time. And of course, there is the normal meandering through topics

Dawn Walton, a human therapist, and Jess Probst, a dog behaviourist, sit in Dawn's car looking out over the River Tay in Dundee, and discuss stress.

What happens when a dog or a person is stressed? How does it affect Cognitive function and what can we do about it?

They explore the concept of behaviour coming from somewhere and how easy it is to fixate on the behaviour without understanding what is creating it.

They discuss why desensitisation and counter conditioning are limited in their effectiveness, in people and dogs.

And of course, as usual, there are the normal random topics, including the distraction of a group of 7 Jet Skis making their way down the Tay

Link to data on the effectiveness of Dawn's therapy approach vs CBT etc https://www.qchpa.com/evidence-based-therapy/