A note for First Nations listeners, this podcast contains voices of people who have died.

In this episode Lidia yarns with Uncle Jack Charles about the importance of Truth telling in order to move forward as a Nation. In this yarn Lidia and Uncle Jack explore what a National Treaty(ies) could look like in this country and the opportunities a modern Treaty(ies) could bring.

Uncle Jack Charles is a Boon Wurrung, Dja Dja Wurrung, Palawa and Yorta Yorta man, an Elder, accomplished actor and co-founder of the first Indigenous theatre company in this country. Uncle Jack is a member of the stolen generations and was taken from his mother when he was only a few months old. Put into institutional care and separated from family and culture, this trauma would heavily impact the course of his life. Uncle Jack struggled with drug addiction and experienced homelesseness. He has been incarcerated 20 times and describes himself as a ‘serial pest’. Today, Uncle Jack is a respected Elder in Melbourne.


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These recordings took place on the unceded sovereign lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation.


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Note: These episodes were recorded while Senator Thorpe was a member of the Greens. She now sits of the crossbench as a Independent Senator representing the Blak Sovereign Movement