Melody Meckfessel is the Chief Technology Officer (CTO) at Jasper.ai, the world’s leading AI marketing platform. In her role, Melody shapes the technical vision of the company, oversees product delivery, and spearheads AI research to develop new capabilities that accelerate business outcomes for enterprise marketers.

Before joining Jasper.ai, Melody co-founded and served as CEO of Observable, a data visualization platform that empowers teams to understand their businesses through data. She also spent over a decade at Google as Vice President of Engineering, where she led core infrastructure, Search, and DevOps teams for Google and Google Cloud Platform, impacting millions of users worldwide.

Melody is recognized for her hands-on approach to engineering leadership and her expertise in building large-scale distributed systems. Her work is crucial in solving complex problems at scale for enterprise companies. She is passionate about defining the future of work with AI, where humans come first.

Clipboard Health is looking for the next generation of exceptional software engineering leaders, not just managers. They’re a profitable unicorn, backed by top-tier investors, and they take the craft of engineering management seriously.

Clipboard Health matches highly qualified healthcare workers with nearby facilities to fulfill millions of shifts a year - revolutionizing healthcare staffing with a fast, flexible, and user-friendly platform.

Learn more & browse their open roles at clipboardhealth.com/engineering

• Melody’s perspective on the tech industry’s rapid rate of change right now (2:53)
• Critical questions to guide investment decisions on “what to build & how“ in a rapidly evolving market (5:57)
• Strategies for navigating rapid change internally within eng teams (10:07)
• What it means to be an AI-first engineering organization (12:30)
• Changes in goals, metrics, and processes to shape your org and guide you through rapid change (15:33)
• Developing agile communication processes (18:39)
• Navigating ambiguity as a learned skill - practical ways to strengthen your ability to navigate uncertainty (20:09)
• Implementing a framework of curiosity & openness within eng teams (22:40)
• Why great things can’t be planned (26:21)
• Becoming dynamic and resilient - how to thrive amid uncertainty and constant industry shifts (28:57)
• How to shift from prescriptive to inspirational - using illustrated inspiration to empower teams (32:00)
• Breaking through self-imposed limitations - understanding where eng leaders may limit themselves (33:48)
• Melody’s perspective on fostering a culture of creativity within eng teams (35:06)
• Rapid fire questions (37:13)

• The Qualified Sales Leader: Proven Lessons from a Five Time CRO - John McMahon shares valuable lessons for sales leaders and sales reps selling enterprise software solutions. In a conversational and easy to read narrative style, this must-read book provides learnings on how sales leaders can help their reps sell more for higher average deal sizes to executive level buyers.

Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

Jerry Li - Co-Host

Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/

Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/

Anurag Agarwal leads the Google Workspace engineering organization, overseeing products such as Gmail, Calendar, Chat, Drive, Docs, Sheets, Slides, and Meet that help billions of users and customers across the world to connect, create, and build together.

With over 18 years of experience at Google, Anurag’s expertise spans a wide range of consumer and enterprise products and technologies. His career began in the Display Ads team, where he played a pivotal role in developing publisher ad-serving products from the ground up. He then worked on the Search Ads team driving a number of large-scale infrastructure improvements and leading initiatives such as online-to-offline measurement and monetization of surfaces like Maps and Discover. Prior to his role in Workspace, he spearheaded some early-stage incubation projects at Google like Google Health’s CareStudio project aimed to help clinicians get a comprehensive view of patient’s health information.

Anurag spent his childhood in Delhi, India and now resides in the Bay Area with his family.

• A current update on Google Workspace (2:46)
• Strategies for getting teams to faster iteration & execution (4:41)
• Prioritizing the right problems & how to set a unified vision to work toward (7:11)
• Questions to ask to help rationalize during prioritization conversations (10:48)
• Components of streamlining the decision-making process (13:33)
• Anurag’s recommendations for facilitating decision-making conversations (15:00)
• How to encourage your team to ask the right questions & push back (16:55)
• Frameworks for identifying areas of inefficiency / friction (20:17)
• Steps for increasing confidence on the front end for an AI product experience (23:38)
• Filtering insights for faster iteration on AI product concepts (25:59)
• Measure user impact & make adjustments quickly based on that feedback (27:38)
• Reducing barriers to feature discovery (29:33)
• Enabling discovery & engagement of new product experiences (32:05)
• The role of pilots when testing different product experience changes (35:17)
• The future product launches Anurag is most excited (39:10)
• Rapid fire questions (40:36)

• Google AI is now included, with no add-ons required or usage limits, in Workspace Business and Enterprise plans. Find out more: https://goo.gle/3PsIwf1
• How to Know a Person: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen - Driven by his trademark sense of curiosity and his determination to grow as a person, David Brooks draws from the fields of psychology and neuroscience and from the worlds of theater, philosophy, history, and education to present a welcoming, hopeful, integrated approach to helping readers become more understanding and considerate toward others, and to find the joy that comes from being seen. Along the way it offers a possible remedy for a society that is riven by fragmentation, hostility, and misperception.

Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

Jerry Li - Co-Host

Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/

Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/

Kathryn Vandiver (Former VP of Engineering @ Quanata) shares insights on providing new leadership during significant organizational change. First, we dissect what transitioning from an individual contributor to engineering manager is like. Then, we discuss what it’s like stepping into an EM role informally vs. formally; how to host conversations that foster trust; tips for transforming teams from competition to collaboration; helping people get unstuck; and tools for changing hearts and minds. Kathryn also covers frameworks for creating collective agreements between eng leaders & eng teams – and identifying what a successful outcome for collective agreements looks like.

With over 30 years of experience as a global engineering leader, Kathryn has guided companies ranging from agile startups to Fortune 500 enterprises toward growth and scalability in both B2B and B2C technology areas. She has held leadership roles at VMWare, HPE, NetApp, and Quanata, a State Farm Company. Specializing in engineering and team culture turnarounds, she frequently steps in to provide decisive leadership during periods of transition. Kathryn is committed to valuing every team member's unique contributions, actively seeking the perspectives of both influencers and naysayers to foster positive change. Her collaborative approach has consistently helped teams double or even triple business growth, significantly enhancing company value through successful turnarounds.

Passionate about 'paying it forward,' Kathryn mentors, teaches leadership skills, and supports young women in tech on their career journeys. In her spare time, she enjoys hiking the trails of the Bay Area and spending quality time with her family.

• Shifting from projects to people - dissecting the mindset shift from IC to engineering manager (2:21)
• What makes the transition from IC to EM challenging (5:05)
• Taking on informal EM responsibilities vs. a formalized role (8:13)
• Frameworks for building trust through early conversations (10:13)
• Tips for approaching the scenario of a resistant / combative team (12:15)
• Transforming teams during an M&A, from competition to collaboration (14:20)
• Why listening is key to changing hearts & minds as an eng leader (17:34)
• Practices to help people get unstuck in their perspective (20:50)
• Questions to help people uncover where they’re stuck & think critically (23:13)
• Kathryn’s approach to identifying criteria for success (24:30)
• How to determine what the endpoint looks like (26:27)
• Processes for creating collective agreements of how people operate (28:18)
• Identifying the expectations your team has of you as a leader (31:58)
• Common areas of friction when creating these collective agreements (33:46)
• Steps leaders can take to resolve friction within the agreement process (35:13)
• Signs that your collective agreement practice is successful (36:38)
• Rapid fire questions (40:01)

• Super Psyched: Unleash the Power of the 4 Types of Connection and Live the Life You Love - Connection is everything. Let Adam Dorsay, the leading therapist to Silicon Valley’s top executives, help you become super psyched by discovering your personalized formula for more energy, higher performance, better relationships, and a more meaningful life.

Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

Jerry Li - Co-Host

Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/

Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/

Natalie Glance, Chief Engineering Officer @ Duolingo joins us for a conversation on unleashing potential in your employees! We discuss practices that have helped Duolingo create a meaningful path for hiring & developing engineers through their onboarding & internship programs. We also cover topics including scaling your eng org, upskilling recent grads / new hires, balancing meaningful work with measurable impact, communicating alignment within your org, formal & informal steps for building eng leadership capabilities, and essential skills for managers of all types.

Natalie is a lifelong learner and seasoned leader with extensive experience at startups and established companies. She’s currently the Chief Engineering Officer at Duolingo.

At Duolingo, Natalie ensures engineers can help set product direction and strategy. She’s championed a culture of extensive A/B testing, and is excited about the ways generative AI can both build new features and accelerate content creation for these features. She oversees many of the efforts dedicated to scaling Duolingo’s technology to new subjects, like Math and Music.

Natalie is passionate about mentorship and education. She co-founded the Int’l AAAI Conference on Web and Social Media (ICWSM), which offers an annual Adamic-Glance Distinguished Young Researcher Award for a promising young independent researcher in the field of computational social science in the early stage of their career.

• Natalie’s eng leadership background & journey scaling Duolingo (2:41)
• Duolingo’s approach to eng leadership & passion for unleashing potential (5:42)
• Implementing a mentoring program to improve eng development / retention (6:42)
• How the mentoring process changes as an org scales (8:51)
• Duolingo’s onboarding process & tips for building an onboarding program (10:12)
• Ways Duolingo has crafted a successful internship program (12:43)
• Frameworks for intern hosts to collect meaningful projects for interns (15:38)
• Behind the Thrive intern program (HootCamp) for rising juniors (17:44)
• How Duolingo’s guiding principles drive Duolingo University (21:08)
• Strategies for upskilling new grads into strong technical contributors (22:13)
• Best practices for unlocking potential & contributing to people’s growth (25:40)
• Natalie’s approach to balancing meaningful work with measurable impact (26:44)
• Practices for creating alignment within your org (28:30)
• Duolingo’s thought process for role training & growing leaders (30:44)
• Breaking down the formal & informal steps for building leaders within the org (32:41)
• Essential skills for role managers to develop (34:22)
• Addressing challenges faced by managers of managers (36:47)
• Rapid fire questions (38:24)

• The Engineering Executive's Primer: Impactful Technical Leadership - Will Larson shows you ways to obtain your first executive job and quickly ramp up to meet the challenges you may not have encountered in non-executive measuring engineering for both engineers and the CEO, company-scoped headcount planning, communicating successfully across a growing organization, and figuring out what people actually mean when they keep asking for a "technology strategy.”

Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

Jerry Li - Co-Host

Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/

Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/