If you’ve ever wrestled with fear or self-doubt – and who hasn’t? – this conversation is for you.

I’ve been looking forward to this episode with Margie Warrell for a while. 😀

Margie brings such deep wisdom and realness to conversations about courage, leadership, and growth. When she’s not being interviewed or speaking about her new book The Courage Gap, she’s in significant conversations with congressional chiefs and other leaders in fast-changing environments – helping them lead with courage and clarity in complex times.

We talked about everything from the “timidity tax” to post-traumatic growth, and some personal stories that shaped us both. It’s a rich, honest conversation about rising above fear and showing up with empathy – for ourselves and others.

A few highlights from this episode:

• What the timidity tax is, and how it silently impacts our lives and leadership

• How post-traumatic growth can emerge from the hardest experiences

• Why empathy and self-compassion are essential, not optional

• The healing power of sharing your story – and writing to serve, not to impress

• Choosing love, power and a sound mind over fear

• Courageous conversations – why we need them now more than ever.

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