In this episode, we interview the directors of the National Retrofit Hub - Rachel Owens and Sara Edmonds.

00:00 Introduction

00:52 What is NRH?

02:02 Rachel’s background

04:12 Sara’s background

08:40 About the NRH, who is involved and getting the message across

14:25 Reasons for, and benefits of, retrofit

15:27 Retrofit for homeowners, builders and builders’ merchants

20:50 Community involvement

24:17 Getting the message out

27:17 Aims of NRH

30:15 The NRH directory and looking for examples and exemplars

31:50 Getting the next generations involved

33:15 The bigger picture and meeting the challenge

34:55 Scientific research regarding traditional buildings and technical issues

40:10 Funding for research

44:20 EPCs and concerns regarding tenants

50:20 Home buying and selling and log books

53:54 Global cooperation and coordination

57:52 Archetyping by age

1:00:30 Longer term aims and aspirations

1:04:40 Sustainability

1:05:10 How to contact NRH and how to get involved

1:06:27 Rich and Stephen sum up

Links

Built Environment Smarter Transformation - BEST: www.be-st.build

Home Energy Action Lab: https://www.instagram.com/home_energy_action_lab/

Architects Action Network - ACAN: www.architectscan.org

National Home Improvement Council - NHIC: https://nhic.org.uk/

Retrofit Reimagined - film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m2hSkCZ_zE

Canopy Housing (Leeds): https://www.canopyhousing.org/

Timber Fest: https://timberfestival.org.uk/

Civic Square: https://civicsquare.cc/

Centre for Moisture in Buildings: https://ukcmb.org/

SEDA - Scottish Ecological Design Association: https://www.seda.uk.net/

Ecological Building Systems: https://www.ecologicalbuildingsystems.com/

Impact on Urban Health: https://urbanhealth.org.uk/

Home Buying and Selling Council https://homebuyingsellingcouncil.co.uk/

REScoop - https://www.rescoop.eu/

UKERC - https://ukerc.ac.uk/

SME - Small medium enterprise

RMI - Repair maintenance and improvement

BSI - British Standards institute

DESNZ - Department for Energy Security and Net Zero

DLUHC - Department for Levelling Up, Housing & Communities

UKGBC - UK Green Building Council

SHDF - Social Housing Decarbonisation Fund

EPC - Energy Performance Certificate

MEES - Minimum Energy Efficiency Standards

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In this episode we chat with Ben Kerslake of CarringtonLIME. Rich visited him at his premises in the Forest of Dean. We discuss Ben winning a Blue Peter competition, getting his neighbours to work on his house, and painting a room for 50p! On a more serious note, we talk about lime, hot lime, Naturally Hydraulic Lime, training, and innovation. Ben is keen to help train the next generation of plasterers, but also homeowners wanting to have a go themselves, and professionals wanting to understand the use of lime better.

00:00 - Intro

01:02 - About Ben

04:10 - Where it started

06:11 - The courses CarringtonLIME run

08:06 - How can we narrow the skills gap?

09:12 - Advice on coating plasters and paints

11:36 - Making your own paints and plasters

16:10 - Subscribe to channel

17:10 - “Hot” lime

21:28 - Hydrated Lime

24:02 - Using lime now very different to historic mixes

26:16 - Specifying mixes

31:19 - Bought Lime quality can be too pure for buildings applications

35:01 - Over-prescriptive specifications

36:28 - Understanding materials

39:07 - “One size DOESN’T fit all”

39:58 - Experimenting with materials and mixes

44:52 - Lath and plaster ceilings

52:02 - Insulating plaster mixes

55:06 - Overview of CarringtonLIME courses

58:23 - Favourite Book

60:04 - Favourite Building

CarringtonLime: https://www.carringtonlime.co.uk/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/carringtonlime

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/carringtonlime

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In this episode we talk with Jonathan Taylor, exploring his beginnings in Architecture and then as a Conservation Officer, before the founding of the Building Conservation Directory. We discuss its success and some of the challenges Jonathan faces in publishing, as well as issues that are close to Jonathan's heart relating to conservation and his concern that conservation is about more than just the buildings.

Chapters

00:00 - Intro

00:26 - Jonathan Taylor biography

02:06 - What made Jonathan change from Architecture to conservation

05:47 - Not just the building but the whole social side too

08:52 - How did the Building Conservation Directory come about?

12:21 - How the BCD directory is funded

15:45 - How did you select where the BCD copies were sent?

18:35 - Did the internet change the BCD and it’s reach?

20:43 - Not really any trade secrets in conservation

22:24 - What about people wanting to write or advertise things that aren’t appropriate?

25:24 - The directory is the start of the specification process

26:05 - “People have asked for an accredited only publication…”

27:58 - Homeowners do phone in

31:37 - How do you keep articles up to date?

33:56 - The challenge of retrofit

37:27 - The debate on what is right or wrong

38:08 - Has conservation gone too far, and prevented evolution of buildings?

41:17 - How much, as a society, are we prepared to lose?

42:00 - How many buildings are of ‘traditional’ construction and how many listed?

42:51 - The other publications and articles that BCD cover

46:39 - New website looking exclusively at retrofit and sustainability

48:43 - Dr. Robyn Pender on a fresh way to look at historic buildings

50:54 - Global reach of the website

52:43 - “We will never abandon print”

53:18 - Jonathan’s recommended books

55:09 - Jonathan’s favourite buildings and why

59:21 - Training is one of the main subjects on the website too

59:53 - How to get in touch with Jonathan and the website

Links:

Building Conservation Directory:

https://www.buildingconservation.com

Joint Position Statement: https://historicengland.org.uk/advice/technical-advice/buildings/damp-in-historic-buildings/investigation-of-moisture-and-its-effects-on-traditional-buildings/

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An introduction to this podcast. Find out a bit about Stephen and Rich, what their motivations are, and what this podcast is about.

Chapters:

0:44 Introduction to Stephen

7:24 Introduction to Rich

13:08 How and why we’ve got together

15:26 Why we’re doing this podcast

16:12 What we mean by “Conservation”

19:18 Misinformation online / media (print/TV etc)

21:02 Dispelling myths

22:08 The need for homeowners to understand technical matters.

24:13 Minimal education in trades / professions / apprenticeships don’t teach old buildings

28:24 Technicals concepts simplified

29:42 Understanding buildings and their evolution

30:44 Interviews with those involved conservation

31:42 Project storyline / following long term projects

32:40 News / Case law updates

34:47 Favourite building and why

37:20 Favourite books

42:42 Summary

44:55 How to get in touch

For Rich's platform go to:

https://expertible.com/

For Stephen's community go to:

https://beconservation.com/heritage-conservation-community

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