No BS Bureaucracy

By: Mark Wheeler and Mike Sarasti
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  • Welcome to "No BS Bureaucracy," your entertaining guide to local government technology and policy. Hosted by Mike Sarasti and Mark Wheeler, two former big-city CIOs who are anything but typical tech guys, this podcast ditches dry formalities for real talk about what works versus what’s just hype. Mike and Mark break it down with a blend of hard-earned wisdom and humor that’s more John Oliver than a civics teacher who’s given up caffeine.


    Mike, Miami’s first Chief Innovation Officer, and Mark, Philly’s first Chief Geographic Information Officer, aren't just any bureaucrats—they’re creatives and community builders who found their way into technology. Mike’s a musician in the indie electronic/alt-pop band Raker, and Mark’s an improv actor, so you know things won’t be boring. Their unique blend of expertise and creativity makes for lively and always insightful conversations. Think of a "Real Time with Bill Maher" panel with Leslie Knope from “Parks and Recreation,” but suitable for work!


    Join Mike and Mark as they break down the topics of the day: AI, Govtech, smart cities, innovation, data privacy, digital ID, digital transformation, leadership, people and process, and more. They tackle serious topics with a relaxed, engaging tone, but with a touch of snark. Expect candid discussions with civil servants about making a difference, successes and failures, and advice for policy makers and technologists.


    If you’re into making local government better, whether you’re a politician, technology leader, or just someone who cares, "No BS Bureaucracy" is for you. Tune in, learn something new, and have a good time doing it.


    (theme music, “Hologram” by Raker)

    Follow Mark and Mike on LinkedIn, and Raker Instagram:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/markwheelerphl/
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarasti/
    @rakermusic https://www.instagram.com/rakermusic

    © 2024 No BS Bureaucracy
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  • Cities, Slow Your Roll on Enterprise Generative AI
    Aug 10 2024

    In Episode #2 of No BS Bureaucracy, hosts Mike Sarasti and Mark Wheeler explore local governments' readiness for generative AI. They tackle the notion that cities must rush to put enterprise-level gen AI tools into production. Their bottom line?

    1. Don’t relinquish the wheel to any gen AI co-pilots until city leaders understand the contours of their departments’ data sprawl.
    2. Leaders must be familiar with gen AI tools themselves.
    3. AI governance is a natural extension of all your existing frameworks for governing data, privacy, and ethics - not a standalone program to be built from scratch.

    Mike shares his personal journey with gen AI, explaining how he jumped into a relationship with ChatGPT rather quickly (hmmm… U-Haul has never seen a moving van lease get signed so fast!). Mike likens the process to "carving a sculpture," where the first output of gen AI is like a blob of potential, but you’ve got to spend time picking it apart and refining outputs. He recommends that local government leaders begin with familiar topics (where they are the subject matter experts) and see gen AI governance through the lenses of all existing policies on privacy and equity.

    Mark shares recommendations for crafting AI governance from existing data security and privacy programs. His main point is that AI is data. To govern gen AI effectively, cities must first be able to govern ALL of their data. He recommends taking stock of an organization’s data sprawl and asking some critical questions: What’s the current state of data governance? Is there a classification scheme for unstructured data? Are data retention policies enforced for legal and/or historical preservation purposes, or are hoarding tendencies running unchecked? Plus, where to go for help—like the GovAI Coalition for policy, procurement, and education templates and guidance.

    Mark also provides some stats to back up the feeling that gen AI adoption is a “must-do” for leaders but questions why the evidence of its transformation on industries and everyday life hasn't materialized.

    ADVERT: The Sara Connor Anti-AI Plug-in

    In the closing segment, aka Mike & Mark’s music picks, Mike announces his band Raker is releasing new music in August! After a few years' hiatus, Raker is back with the release of the single “Hologram” on all music streaming platforms!
    https://open.spotify.com/track/6Qf228NOvNIG3MjoCc9ZeX?si=a866719ff1b242a6
    Instagram: @rakermusic https://www.instagram.com/rakermusic

    Mark describes what it's like to fully experience Philly’s eclectic Martha Graham Cracker Cabaret.

    Thanks to Earl Grant for lending his thespian skills to the “Anti-AI plug-in” advert.

    #innovation #AI #genAI #localgovernment #govtech #publicsector #smartcities

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    39 mins

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