Welcome to another episode of the Minds of Mortgage podcast! Prepare for an honest and insightful conversation that could transform your mortgage business! I recently had the opportunity to sit down with Geoff Zimpfer, who has rightfully earned his nickname as the "Chief Truth Teller" of the Mortgage Marketing Institute. This isn’t your typical industry discussion.

We cut through the distractions and focus on what truly works in building the essential relationships that keep your pipeline full. Drawing on our extensive experience in the field, we discuss an important issue: Why are so many loan officer-realtor relationships struggling? Trust me, the answer may surprise you.

If you’re tired of posting uninspired market updates on social media and receiving little to no engagement, you’ll appreciate Geoff’s innovative approach to enhancing your digital presence. He shares striking examples of loan officers excelling online by being authentic rather than aggressive in their sales tactics.

Are you curious about the true secret behind those sought-after referral partnerships? We dive into what distinguishes the top performers from the rest. Spoiler alert: it might not be what you expect, and Geoff’s insights could challenge your current understanding of networking in this industry.

As we look ahead to 2025, we'll discuss exactly what you need to do to stand out in an increasingly crowded market. These strategies are not just theories but practical and proven methods you can start implementing tomorrow.

By the end of our conversation, you will have a clear roadmap for building authentic relationships that lead to real business growth. Whether you are a seasoned professional or just starting, this is an episode you won't want to miss.

Today on the "Minds of Mortgage" podcast, we welcome Greg Sher! Greg, who is not only the Managing Director at NFM but also the visionary behind the "All of Us" movement, joined me fresh from our visit to the MBA conference in Denver.

You know those gloomy headlines we've all been seeing? Well, Greg spotted something different on the ground in Denver. He had this fantastic conversation with an industry veteran who completely changed his perspective on tech in our business. (Wait until you hear what they discovered about what matters to today's borrowers!)

We were honest about the challenges ahead—the kind that keeps us up at night. But here's the thing: Greg sees golden opportunities where most people see obstacles. The way he breaks them down, you'll wonder why you didn't see these possibilities before.

Remember how we used to think about client relationships? Greg's take on connecting with younger homebuyers is mind-blowing. He's throwing the old rulebook out the window, and his fresh approach makes so much sense in today's world.

And speaking of 2025 – Greg's predictions about independent mortgage bankers are spot on. Trust me, this isn't your typical market forecast. His enthusiasm for what's coming is contagious, and by the end of our chat, you'll probably feel as fired up about the future as we do.

If you're in the mortgage business and trying to figure out what's next, this conversation will be a game-changer. Greg doesn't just share insights—he gives you a whole new perspective on where our industry is headed. Ready to have your perspective shifted?

1. Anthony Casa’s Vision for UMortgage: Anthony discussed the journey that led him to create UMortgage after his previous success with Garden State Home Loans. His goal was to build a scalable mortgage business with a strong focus on training, development, and culture. He recognized that many mortgage companies allowed individual branches too much autonomy, leading to inconsistent practices. In contrast, UMortgage was designed to be a cohesive, aligned organization where everyone follows the same processes and goals.

2. Defining Success at UMortgage: When asked about what it means to be the best mortgage company, Anthony explained that his definition involves two key elements: being the company that everyone wants to work for and being the company that nobody wants to compete against. Drawing parallels to top sports teams, he emphasized the importance of having a strong, unified culture where all employees are held to a high standard and continually push themselves to improve, even in challenging market conditions.

3. The Role of Leadership and Positivity: Anthony emphasized the critical role of leadership in maintaining a positive and solution-oriented mindset, especially during difficult times in the mortgage industry. He criticized leaders who disappear or spread negativity when the market turns, arguing that true leaders must be present, optimistic, and straightforward in their direction. He also shared his philosophy of viewing challenges as opportunities for growth rather than problems to complain about.

4. Adapting to Market Changes and Accountability: As part of UMortgage’s growth strategy, Anthony highlighted the importance of focusing on new relationships and increasing wallet share. He explained that the company’s leadership focuses heavily on accountability and performance, which includes developing leaders who can, in turn, hold their teams accountable. This approach, while challenging, helps create a disciplined and high-performing organization that can thrive in any market environment.

5. Recruiting and Developing Talent: Anthony also emphasized the importance of recruiting the right people and providing continuous training. He noted that many mortgage companies fail by focusing on quick fixes like signing bonuses rather than long-term growth and development. At UMortgage, they invest in recruiting top talent, training them to excel, and holding them to high standards. This focus on continuous development ensures that team members grow with the company rather than stagnate.

6. Building a Customer-Centric Experience: Both Kelly and Anthony discussed the importance of focusing on the customer experience. Anthony pointed out that companies like Rocket Mortgage and UWM have succeeded because they dominate the customer experience. He explained that at UMortgage, the focus is on training employees to consistently deliver excellent service, from prompt communication to ensuring a smooth loan process. This, combined with a strong brand and well-trained staff, is key to long-term success in the mortgage industry. This conversation highlighted the importance of leadership, culture, training, and a customer-first approach in building a successful mortgage company.