Raiza Martin is a senior product manager for AI at Google Labs, where she leads the team behind NotebookLM, an AI-powered research tool that includes a delightful podcast-on-demand feature called “Audio Overviews.” NotebookLM started as a 20% project and has grown into a product that’s spreading across social media and has a Discord server with over 60,000 users. Raiza previously worked on AI Test Kitchen and has a background in startups, payments, and ads. In our conversation, we discuss:

• The origin story of NotebookLM

• The future road map for NotebookLM

• How Google Labs operates differently from the rest of Google

• The development of the “Audio Overviews” feature

• Key metrics and growth of NotebookLM

• Stories about collaborating with author Steven Johnson

• Navigating potential misuse of AI technology

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• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/whatsaraiza/

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Introduction to NotebookLM

(05:43) The genesis of NotebookLM

(08:08) Innovative features and use cases

(18:52) Building a startup culture within Google

(24:28) Expanding user demographics

(27:30) The product roadmap

(32:18) Other use cases

(36:11) Collaborating with Steven Johnson

(42:49) Ensuring ethical AI

(46:06) Future directions and user engagement

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JM Nickels is a Senior Director of Product Management at Uber. Previously, he was Head of Product for Commercialization at Waymo and led product teams at DoorDash. JM is also a coach and advisor focused on conscious leadership. In our conversation, we discuss:

• How to sharpen your vision and strategy skills

• What “conscious leadership” means and how to practice it

• Practical techniques for managing stress

• The power of soft skills and emotional intelligence in product leadership

• Lessons from working at Uber, Waymo, and DoorDash

• Keys to living a successful and fulfilling life

• Much more

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• X: https://x.com/nickelsjm

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jmnickels/

• Website: https://www.rhythmofbeing.com/

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• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Introduction to JM

(02:02) Conscious leadership explained

(03:41) The power of soft skills

(07:34) Navigating Uber’s evolution

(12:41) Embracing emotions and inner work

(21:46) Crafting strategy and vision

(41:16) Balancing vision and execution

(46:13) Lessons from DoorDash, Uber, and Waymo

(52:32) The future of autonomous ride-hailing

(55:18) Contrarian corner: Embracing emotions in the workplace

(59:47) Keys to a fulfilling life

(01:04:45) Taking responsibility and agency

(01:07:29) Lightning round and final thoughts

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Alex Komoroske is a strategic leader who merges the practice, theory, and mindset necessary to tackle complex problems. He spent 13 years at Google, where he worked on Search and DoubleClick and led Chrome’s Open Web Platform. He also spearheaded Augmented Reality in Google Maps and developed toolkits to align companywide strategy from the ground up. After serving as Head of Corporate Strategy at Stripe, he is now co-founding a startup aimed at reimagining the web for the AI era. Alex created the popular “Slime Molds” deck, which offers fresh insights into organizational dynamics. He is also the author of the widely read “Bits and Bobs,” a collection of thought-provoking reflections.In our conversation, we delve into:

• “Organizational kayfabe”

• “Gardening” vs. “building”

• How AI will soon change how we build product

• How and why to embrace the adjacent possible

• The power of reflection and how to build it into your workflow

• How to create emergent properties in organizations

• How to run effective “strategy salons” or “nerd clubs”

• Much more

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Where to find Alex Komoroske:

• X: https://x.com/komorama

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-komoroske-6597336/

• Website: https://www.komoroske.com/

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• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Introduction to Alex

(01:53) Alex’s Bits and Bobs document

(06:20) The Compendium and note-taking process

(10:10) The impact of AI and LLMs on product development

(14:24) Skills to lean into as a product manager

(19:02) How AI makes us better as individuals

(23:04) Organizational kayfabe

(31:48) Gardening vs. building

(34:46) Emergence-oriented thinking

(41:55) Slime molds and organizational structure

(45:15) Identifying resonant ideas

(47:05) The power of metaphors

(48:02) Strategy salons and nerd clubs

(52:30) Building and sustaining communities

(55:59) Productivity hacks and self-control

(01:01:04) Life philosophy and personal insights

(01:07:52) The adjacent possible

(01:15:56) Lightning round

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Benjamin Lauzier has been building and scaling marketplaces for almost 15 years. He was the VP of product and growth at Thumbtack, where he rebuilt the product team and Thumbtack’s growth levers, re-architected their revenue model, and helped double the company’s growth within three years. Prior to Thumbtack, Ben was at Lyft for six years, where he led the supply side of the product organization to a point where 1% of U.S. workers were driving for Lyft every month. Currently, he advises marketplace teams and founders, teaches a Reforge course on marketplace growth, and has recently launched a health tech company called Nurra, which connects users with care advocates to navigate the health-care system. In our conversation, we cover:

• What defines a marketplace business

• Strategies for growing supply and demand in the early stages

• How to measure liquidity and other marketplace health metrics

• How to evaluate if a marketplace model is right for your idea

• Lessons from Lyft, Thumbtack, and other successful marketplaces

• The differences between product management in the U.S. and Europe

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Where to find Benjamin Lauzier:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminlauzier/

• Ben’s Reforge course: https://www.reforge.com/courses/marketplace-growth/details

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• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Ben’s background

(02:24) Defining a marketplace

(07:52) Challenges in building a marketplace

(13:28) Methods for growing supply

(15:57) Understanding marketplace liquidity

(21:36) Identifying product-market fit in marketplaces

(24:10) Evaluating marketplace business models

(27:20) Common pitfalls and failures in marketplaces

(36:23) Managed marketplaces and quality control

(42:26) Lyft’s rental car initiative

(46:35) Mentorship and ambassador programs

(51:21) Driver recruitment strategies

(54:12) Lyft vs. Uber: a strategic analysis

(59:24) Cultural differences in tech: Europe vs. U.S.

(01:10:30) Building a health advocacy platform

(01:16:52) Lightning round and final thoughts

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Tamar Yehoshua is the president of product and technology at Glean. Prior to joining Glean, Tamar was chief product officer at Slack, where she led product, design, and research as the company scaled, including a 10x increase in revenue, its public listing, and an acquisition by Salesforce. She also led product and engineering teams at Google, working on search, identity, and privacy, and at A9.com, an Amazon company. Tamar has served on the board of directors for RetailMeNot, ServiceNow, Snyk, and Yext. In our conversation, we discuss:

• Why you don’t need to be a well-run company to win

• The impact of AI on product management and the future of work

• How to build strong cross-functional relationships, especially with engineers

• Lessons learned from working with leaders like Jeff Bezos and Stewart Butterfield

• Strategies for staying ahead in a rapidly evolving tech landscape

• Much more

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• X: https://x.com/TYehoshua

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamar-yehoshua-886217/

• Newsletter: https://tamaryehoshua.substack.com/

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Tamar’s background

(02:09) Key advice for career success

(06:54) Understanding people and motivations

(09:33) The importance of impact

(11:20) Navigating company chaos

(18:40) Career planning: a different perspective

(26:22) Lessons from industry leaders

(37:59) Building stronger cross-functional relationships

(42:00) Streamlining OKR reviews with async methods

(45:26) Why you shouldn’t worry so much about making users unhappy

(47:50) The power of listening in leadership

(52:34) How to leverage AI so you don’t fall behind

(01:06:39) Closing thoughts and lightning round

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Tal Raviv is a product manager at Riverside, where he joined as its first PM. Over his 12-year career as an individual contributor, Tal has been an early PM at Patreon, AppsFlyer, and Wix, working in consumer growth, developer API platforms, and pricing. He started his career by co-founding a profitable SaaS company and also volunteers as a surf instructor for people with disabilities. In our conversation, Tal shares:

• Why he has chosen to stay an individual contributor rather than moving into management

• The rise of “super ICs” and how companies can support this career path

• Advice for succeeding as a long-term IC product manager

• How he uses AI to enhance his productivity

• How to build self-reliant teams and make yourself redundant

• Lessons from failures

• Much more

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Where to find Tal Raviv:

• X: https://x.com/talraviv

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/talsraviv/

• Maven course: https://maven.com/tal-raviv/product-manager-productivity-system/

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• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Tal’s background

(02:24) Choosing to stay an IC product manager

(07:05) The value of IC roles

(08:31) Compensation and career path

(12:37) Advice for companies on creating space for ICs

(14:33) Leveraging AI for productivity

(22:44) Build your personal PM productivity system

(37:39) Contrarian opinions and insights

(44:32) Book smart vs. street smart decision-making

(51:51) There’s no one right way to get things done

(57:03) Failure corner

(01:19:04) Lightning round

(01:26:50) Living through conflict

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Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.