Today’s guest is JASON GERKEN from SHINER. He’s one of your favorite drummers’ favorite drummers, & he's also played in HUM, Molly McGuire, Gunfighter, The Birth Defects, & a handful of others.

Shiner’s first record, Splay, was recently remixed & remastered via SPARTAN RECORDS, who also just reissued the band’s second, third, & fourth LPs — Lula Divinia, Starless, & The Egg.

Shiner are about to play some dates in the Midwest, including one at Matt Talbott’s bar Loose Cobra in Tolono.

Jason played & toured with HUM in 2015, on a run of shows all over the U.S. with Mineral & Failure, & he’s got lots of cool insights into the successes & challenges of those gigs. It’s telling that we both occasionally drift into the present tense when describing Bryan’s drumming because that stuff will obviously always feel contemporary.

In this episode, we talk about finding space to tour, getting that phone call to join HUM, the intricacies of practicing & playing with the band, & drowning in lots & lots of drum fills.

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SHINER Reissues // Spartan Records

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GERKEN Interview // Drummers on Drumming Podcast

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PAGE HAMILTON Interview // Chris Demakes a Podcast

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TALBOTT Intro // Pittsburgh '98

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TIMESTAMPS:

02:24 // "The Egg" (Shiner)

03:08 // Upcoming Gigs

06:05 // The Egg LP

11:12 // "Jaded Eyes" (Government Issue)

14:23 // "Pills" (Shiner)

17:22 // Drumming Influences

19:27 // HUM in KC

20:23 // The Phone Call, Practicing, & Playing

27:49 // "Comin' Home" Discussion

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Today I’m talking to COLEY DENNIS, guitarist & founding member of the Athens, GA rock band MASERATI. They’ve covered tons of sonic territory, from post-hardcore to electronic to psychedelia to heavy disco to space rock & beyond. He’s also got a new loud & dreamy rock project called RED DWARF STAR, beaming in from Lausanne, Switzerland where he now lives.

In this episode, we talk about the culture shock of the expatriate life, plugging into the early 2000s Athens music scene, & the striking harmony of the light & heavy.

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TIMESTAMPS:

02:05 // “This is a Sight We Had One Day from the Mountain” (Maserati)

03:09 // Switzerland

05:42 // Athens ‘00s

11:36 // Maserati Then & Now

15:23 // Red Dwarf Star

18:05 // “Lady Aurora Borealis” (R.D.S.)

22:27 // HUM on MTV

27:29 // Inlet & Enter the Mirror

30:31 // “Wallwalker” (Maserati)

32:03 // “Cloud City” Discussion

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“Cloud City” @ AV Fest // 2011

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Today I'm talking to TOM MULLEN from WASHED UP EMO.

Tom’s been in the music business for decades, doing digital marketing, executive work, & an array of creative projects at labels like Vagrant, TVT, Equal Vision, Sony, & others.

He started the Washed Up Emo website in 2007, & has since expanded it into a podcast with over 250 episodes, a book series, & a DJ night.

In this episode, we talk about how the changing media landscape of the late 90s & early 2000s intersected with alternative music culture, the ambivalence around "Midwest emo" as sub-genre & brand, & where Hum might fit within that specific context. We also explore one of the band’s most beloved b-sides, looking at its strange place in their discography. Where does it truly belong?

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SMILE POLITELY Interview: Matt Talbott

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TIMESTAMPS:

02:16 // Booking Hopesfall & Saves the Day

05:00 // Early Podcasting Landscape

13:43 // Curiosity & Connection

17:35 // Washed Up Emo Podcast

20:15 // "Midwest Emo,” the Anachronism

24:19 // HUM re Emo

34:27 // WRUV, MTV, & the Cat's Cradle

36:37 // The Quiet-Loud

39:52 // Pre-YPAA Sessions

46:45 // DIH Reissue Playback @ Sony

51:45 // "Boy with Stick" Discussion

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Other songs: Deftones, "Minerva" // Title Fight: "Head in the Ceiling Fan"

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