When Karina met her now husband Evan, they discussed on their first date the need for Evan to do IVF as he was diagnosed with testicular cancer at just 19 years old.

Told he only had a few weeks to live, they took fertility precautions but it did not work.

He survived, what a miracle! But has always known he would not be able to have his own children.

Karina talks of their journey to IVF donor sperm, travelling interstate (VIC. legalities) to an unexpected stillbirth at full term!

Rafi & Milli dancing together in heaven today! x

LITTLE LIFE BIG LOSS the podcast for grieving baby loss families 👼🏼❤️‍🩹🌹🙏🏽You can find more of Milli’s Mum & her Little Life Big Loss journey:

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The opinions shared by guests on my podcasts are the opinions of those individuals and do not always reflect the same opinions of mine.

Thank you for listening to Little Life Big Loss. If you are here because you have experienced baby loss recently or a long time ago, I am so sorry. I know this pain will NEVER go away. My heart breaks with you. This is a pain no one ever expects to endure. Or maybe you are listening as you have just found out your baby is unwell in utero, and now you have some REALLY hard hitting decisions to make, I am, again, so sorry. These are decisions no parent should ever have to make. I hope these podcasts can lighten the load just a little bit in ways to help understand what the road ahead might look like and what your options are. Remember you ALWAYS have options. It is YOUR body and YOUR baby! If you have never experienced the loss of a baby but are here to learn, thank you. We want to be heard and listened to. You will help someone, somewhere with the knowledge taken from these podcasts.

If any of todays conversation has triggered any uneasy emotions for you please contact Lifeline on 13 11 14 or ⁠lifeline.org⁠. Another organisation working specifically with pre and post natal depression & anxiety is PANDA - you can find them at ⁠Panda.org.au ⁠And remember post natal depression & anxiety does not discriminate - it can affect both men and women, mums and dads. Please seek help from your GP, a psychologist, your local hospital, a midwife, OB, lifeline or Panda.

Thank you again for listening.

I love and miss you Milli.