In this episode, we talk to Patrick about:

• The moment traveling in China that shifted his mindset and legal path; the moment that gave rise to the “barefoot lawyer”
• The harm caused by the Growth Mindset: the pursuit of unlimited growth and its negative impact on everything
• Alternatives to the Growth Mindset
• The importance of taking time to stop and askng “is this what I really want?” -at individual and systems level
• A hybrid between for-profit and non-profit organizational structures
• The power of your mindset
• Importance of finding your tribe
• The “Both -And” mindset
• An “eye for an eye” belief and actions just creates a world full of blind people
• Israel and Gaza
• His new life direction of surrendering into the mystery of silence and guided meditation and how this has shown him that the more you change yourself, the more your outer world changes
• What it meant for him to step out and declare himself as the barefoot lawyer
• What integrative law and being an integrative lawyer mean to him

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: tobby.leach@gmail.com

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Professor Camilla Andersen is a lawyer and academic. She’s been an academic for over thirty years on 4 different continents. She has a lot of experience in international commercial law, but she has devoted the last decade of her life to change and innovation, and to relational contract theory. She is changing the face of contract law and humanizing law.

In this conversation we discussed:

• Humanizing law
• Communication training for lawyers
• Co-creating with clients and other professionals --- remembering that lawyers do not know everything
• How legalese can render a contract unenforceable
• Ways to make contracts more understandable
• Comic Book Contracts and her comic book contract project
• Examples of comic book contracts
• The many benefits of visual contracts
• Word of Caution against creating standardized images and icons for visual contracts
• Relational contract theory, perspective, and practice
• Her work with Mission Australia for which comic book contract was created for kids who are sent to therapy
• What being an integrative lawyer means to her: thinking outside the box, listening to clients, accepting that lawyers do not know everything and co-creating with others.

Learn more about Professor Camilla Andersen and our other featured Integrative Lawyers of the World:

https://www.integrativelaw.com/celebrating-and-showcasing-the-global-integrative-law-movement

Links to some of the projects discussed in our conversation:

• https://www.comicbookcontracts.com/our-journey
  https://lawyersasdesigners.com/
  https://www.alternativecontracting.biz/

To support the Integrative Law Movement and effect positive change in our legal systems:

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⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐⭐𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐮𝐬 𝟓 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬 on

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: tobby.leach@gmail.com

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In this episode, we talk to Ms. Chetty about her journey as a 𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐫 and her pursuit of 𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐞. In our conversation, we discuss:

• Social Justice – what it means, how to get it, and the difference between equality on paper or on the books and equality in application and life.

• The difference between equity and inclusion

• Using the law as an agent of change and how she brings empathy - what a traditional law professor referred to as “that hippie business” –into her law school lectures and courses

• Technology and AI in the legal profession: facing concerns and fears over AI but not wanting to get left behind

• Decolonization in legal education

• How integrative law at its core is language of love and a language of healing

• How law can be agent of change and her advice to lawyers who want to be changemakers with a positive impact

• What Integrative Law and being an integrative lawyer mean to her

To contact Neetu Chetty, email her here: neetuchetty@gmail.com

Learn more about the Integrative Law Movement, Neetu Chetty, and our other featured Integrative Lawyers of the World at www.integrativelaw.com

To support the Integrative Law Movement and effect positive change in our legal systems go to https://www.integrativelaw.com/financial-support-for-the-movement/

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⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ 𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐮𝐬 𝟓 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬 on

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Links to these sites and our social media pages can be found at: https://www.integrativelaw.com/celebrating-and-showcasing-the-global-integrative-law-movement/

Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: tobby.leach@gmail.com

A video version of this episode is available on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7R-_wylJ2YQ-uLUPzRJ61bXgRxvGLulY

In this episode, we talk to Mr. Deoli about his legal journey, his Law and Happiness Office, and the role of lawyers in society. He believes that legal profession is a thread that connects and holds all of society together. In our conversation, we discuss:

• His legal journey including a moment as a law student when he felt that there was something frustrating with the legal system
• How he overcame his shyness to fulfill his mission of connecting with others
• When he first realized as a kid that the was part of a marginalized group and how this propelled him to help those are marginalized in the legal system
• What justice means and how, without equal and full access to the legal system for everyone, there cannot not be justice
• His work with the Law and Happiness Office
• His mission to restore the positive role and image of lawyers in communities and society
• What Integrative Law and being an integrative lawyer mean to him

Learn more about Rajesh Deoli and our other featured Integrative Lawyers of the World at https://www.integrativelaw.com/celebrating-and-showcasing-the-global-integrative-law-movement.

To support the Integrative Law Movement and effect positive change in our legal systems go to https://www.integrativelaw.com/financial-support-for-the-movement/

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⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐⭐𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐮𝐬 𝟓 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬 on

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: tobby.leach@gmail.com

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In this episode, we talk to Dr. Rose about public procurement and empowering positive change. More specifically, Margaret covers:

• Why understanding and regulating public procurement is so important and why everyone, especially lawyers, need to be more aware of the public procurement practices and policies at their local level and at the global level
• What Covid-19 and PPE procurement taught us about public procurement practices and showed us the weaknesses in these practices
• Why public procurement practices and models need assess the purpose of a good in its value calculation of goods and risk assessment
• Future Law Collaborative and its vision to bring legal futures from around the world together to catalyze systemic change at local and global levels
• How she wants to support lawyers around the world be effective advocates for policy reform and systemic change
• How the 4Ps: Public Private Partnerships with Purpose can create change and have a positive impact
• Her “what if” question to all legal professionals
• What being an integrative lawyer means to her

Learn more about Dr. Margaret Satya Rose and Future Law Collaborative: https://futurelaw.io/who-we-are/

To listen to conversations with more integrative lawyers from around the world, go to: https://www.integrativelaw.com/celebrating-and-showcasing-the-global-integrative-law-movement/

To support the Integrative Law Movement and effect positive change in our legal systems go to https://www.integrativelaw.com/financial-support-for-the-movement/

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𝐬𝐮𝐛𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐛𝐞, and

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐮𝐬𝟓𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬 on

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: tobby.leach@gmail.com

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In this episode, we talk to Ms. van der Meer about legal design thinking and why it’s important for lawyers to develop their empathy and creativity. More specifically, Susanne covers:

• Visual language for lawyers
• 6 steps of legal design thinking
• 4 things lawyers can do to implement legal design thinking in their practice
• How to develop your empathy and how to use empathy in your legal practice
• How lawyers can develop their creativity and what law firms can do to foster the creative mindset of their lawyers
• Rethinking the lawyer’s deliverables beyond the billable the hour
• What being an integrative lawyer means to her

Learn more about Susanne van der Meer and her work at: https://siftvisuals.com/

To listen to conversations with more integrative lawyers from around the world, go to: https://www.integrativelaw.com/celebrating-and-showcasing-the-global-integrative-law-movement/

To support the Integrative Law Movement and effect positive change in our legal systems go to https://www.integrativelaw.com/financial-support-for-the-movement/

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𝐬𝐮𝐛𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐛𝐞, and

⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐⭐𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐮𝐬 𝟓 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬 on

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: tobby.leach@gmail.com

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In this conversation, we discuss:

• Her personal and legal journey and how being part of an international program for high school students in Atlanta, Georgia, USA and how her father’s political imprisonment and torture changed her career path from art to law --- and what led her to think “I need to understand this language of law",
• The creative side and art of law and how sensitive people were not encouraged in law schools and law firms,
• How participating as a mediator for the compensation fund changed her life and the lessons she learned from this experience,
• How she was introduced to collaborative law,
• How she is help building a collaborative community and collaborative practice in Brazil, and
• What integrative law and what being an integrative lawyer mean to her.

Learn more about Olivia Fürst and our other featured Integrative Lawyers of the World at: https://www.integrativelaw.com/celebrating-and-showcasing-the-global-integrative-law-movement.

To support the Integrative Law Movement and effect positive change in our legal systems go to https://www.integrativelaw.com/financial-support-for-the-movement/ (supporters in the USA are able to make tax deductible donations thanks to our fiscal sponsor The Renaissance Lawyer Society https://renaissancelawyer.org/ )

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⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ 𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐮𝐬 𝟓 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: tobby.leach@gmail.com

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In this conversation, we discuss:

• working with load shedding practices in South Africa and how this affects everyday life
• how gender discrimination pushed her into opening her own firm because, as one person told her at the time, no one would hire a female litigator and questioned “what would happen if the kids got sick”
• her path from litigation to mediation to collaborative law
• Being an observer at Collaborative Alliance in Minnesota started by Ron Ousky (ILOW S5, Ep.1)
• Insights and practical suggestions for starting something new
• her complications from hip surgery and how she found many gifts in this injury
• her struggles with, and dream of, building a collaborative community in South Africa

Learn more about Debra Segrott and our other featured Integrative Lawyers of the World at https://www.integrativelaw.com/celebrating-and-showcasing-the-global-integrative-law-movement

To support the Integrative Law Movement and effect positive change in our legal systems go to https://www.integrativelaw.com/financial-support-for-the-movement/

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𝐬𝐮𝐛𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐛𝐞, and

⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐⭐𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐮𝐬 𝟓 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬 on

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: tobby.leach@gmail.com

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