Episodes

  • S4 E12: Season Finale of the Gothic with Special Guest, Dr. Gisele Anatol, Exploring Stephenie Meyer’s TWILIGHT & Its Power to Penetrate Readers’ Reality
    Dec 26 2025
    Spoilers…but hey, if you don’t know what TWILIGHT is, come out from the rock you call home and join us for a lively and insightful conversation with our special guest, Dr. Gisele Anatol, editor of the 2011 collection of critical essays, BRINGING LIGHT TO TWILIGHT. Dr. Anatol has provided popular texts and the legacy of the vampire important scholarly attention, and we’re incredibly lucky to have her in the studio to talk about the attraction and cultural influence of the TWILIGHT series. Don’t worry, we’re not cancelling Stephenie Meyer’s TWILIGHT because, dear listener, that’s just not how we roll on IWAW. What Sonja and Vanessa love is exercising intellectual curiosity. And this text brings up so many questions! For starters, can you both love TWILIGHT and be a feminist? How much Jane Eyre is there in Bella Swan? Is Carlisle actually a mother? Is Meyer drawing on works like PRIDE AND PREJUDICE, ROMEO AND JULIET, A MIDSUMMER NIGHT’S DREAM, and WUTHERING HEIGHTS? Would the sparkling vampire series make a young, modern reader want to go read these classics? What are we to make of the novel linking Native Americans to wolves? Is Bella’s life-threatening pregnancy a commentary on abortion? What role does Meyer’s Mormon faith contribute to the focus on chastity, male power, championing motherhood, the imprinting and immortality of lovers? With the world-wide appeal of the 4-book and 5-movie series, we really have to ask these questions because–as we always say on IWAW–stories shape who we are. Just to point out the obvious, what message does Bella and Edward’s romance, for example, communicate to a young reader about how love works, who to date, and what kind of risks to take? Can a young reader–the target audience of this series–always discern the line between fiction and reality?ALSO, on this episode, we announce the theme of Season 5, the first season of 2026–our second year of the pod!!!Along the way, Sonja bed rots, TWILIGHT-style, and Vanessa, a TWILIGHT fan of old, weathers Sonja’s wordplay about how much the series sucks.REFERENCES:Here is Dr. Gisele Anatol’s biographical information on the University of Kansas English Department website. A link to Dr. Anatol’s 2015 Things that Fly in the NightIf you feel like checking out some of the fascinating articles in Dr. Anatol’s collection, here is a link to purchasing Bringing Light to TwilightHere is a link to purchase Reading the Romance: Women, Patriarchy, and Popular Literature by Janice A. Radway.Once again, we cannot say enough good things about Rachel Fader’s The Darcy Myth, and we also have a great episode on it: Rachel Feder's The Darcy Myth.Check out Hot and Bothered Podcast: Twilight for a take on the movie by the extremely talented Vanessa Zoltan & Hannah McGregor. If you want to know more about the Soucouyant that Dr. Anatol mentions, here is one of many websites with information: The Soucouyant.
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    59 mins
  • S4 E11: Governess, the Monster-Slayer: Virginia Feito’s Victorian Psycho
    Dec 19 2025
    Warning: SPOILERS! SPOILERS!! SPOILERS!!!After you have read VICTORIAN PSYCHO–a novel that made NPR's Books We Love 2025 List for “seriously good writing”--come back and listen to a lively run down of the historical background that Feito weaves into her narrative. There’s so much of it that we can’t begin to cover it all in an hour! Feito brilliantly conjures the Victorian social landscape, and she does it all via the distinct voice of Winifred Notty, a ferociously bright, funny, and totally unhinged narrator. But is Winifred any more unhinged than the world that she inhabits? Indeed, could one argue that Winifred, this psychotic and goal-oriented governess, a product of the moral hypocrisies of an era that felt utterly sure of its own righteousness?Along the way, Sonja and Vanessa enjoy a historic journey replete with chamber pots, tooth decay, arsenic fashion, animal fat hair products, and Christmas cards featuring dead birds and marching lobsters. REFERENCES:To learn more about the author, head to her website, virginiafeito.com.Check out art by James Ensor, the artist after whom Feito names the house in the novel. Doesn’t it hit the right mood?Here is a link to the painting that features in Ensor House’s Dining Decor.For a fun explanation of chamber pots and open drawers, check out Elsie Jean, The Well Dressed Historian's video on You Tube.If you’d like to read more about preparing and eating the delicacy that is the ortelan bunting (the bird the book mentions a diner eating, bones and all), you should check out this informative and entertainingly-written Atlas Obscura Article that includes pics. Here is the interview in which Feito mentions her mother’s reaction to the first draft of the novel.Here is just one of many articles on Victorian Christmas cards, and you can also just google samples of Vic Christmas cards and judge for yourself. This National Library of Medicine article cites statistics about how many deaths in 19th century Britain could be traced back to infectious diseases. Here is the link to The Molly Brown Museum page about deadly Victorian cosmetics and apparel, like arsenic green ballgowns.For a taste of Victorian beauty advice, check out an excerpt from an 1870 Harper's Bazaar.Here is a link to the Wikipedia page that quotes chapters from the Ugly Girl Papers.Here is a link to read about the Victorian Corset Controversy that includes the letter to the editor quoted in this episode.
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    1 hr and 4 mins
  • S4 E10: Post-Colonial Gothic? Welcome to the Wonderland of Silvia Moreno-Garcia’s Mexican Gothic
    Dec 12 2025

    Warning: SPOILERS! SPOILERS!! SPOILERS!!!


    Get lost vampires: there are some even scarier monsters in the Gothic-sphere. They live in High Place, the mysterious, ramshackled (...and seemingly undulating) house at the center of Silvia Moreno-Garcia’s Best-Selling 2021 novel, MEXICAN GOTHIC.


    Join IWAW this week as Sonja shares some deep and fascinating research into Mexican history, European Victorians’ cultural fears, competing theories of eugenics, colonial tropes, and some inside info on the world of mushrooms. Vanessa sits raptly at Sonja’s knee for this one, and you should join us because Sonja’s research truly helps a reader appreciate the wealth of historical and cultural knowledge that Moreno-Garcia weaves through her atmospheric, unpredictable, and satisfyingly subversive Gothic tale.


    Along the way, there are plenty of ghostie Gothic Easter eggs, and Sonja and Vanessa agree on everything except the fate of one character: Vanessa argues for cuddles and Sonja for incineration.


    REFERENCES


    To start your own mushroom culinary adventures, do check out Sonja’s dad’s book, A Cook's Book of Mushrooms by Jack Czarnecki


    When the Past Isn't Dead: Post Colonialism and Horror in Mexican Gothic

    A Piece of Britain Lost in Mexico, BBC

    Real de Monte: A British Mining Venture in Mexico

    Fungal Colonialism in Silvia Moreno-Garcia's Mexican Gothic

    "Kubla Khan" by Samuel Taylor Coleridge

    "You Foolish Men" by Sor Juana

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    1 hr and 5 mins
  • S4 E9 American Gothic: Stephen King's 'Salem's Lot
    Dec 5 2025

    WARNING: SPOILERS!!! SPOILERS!!! SPOILERS!!!


    What if Count Dracula came to small-town America? That’s the premise of this brilliant vampire novel by the most famous and successful “What if?” writer, ever: Stephen King. Not only is this novel gripping and satisfyingly plotted, it’s beautifully written and goes way beyond the mere category of “horror” novel. The characters are engaging and the analysis of small-town American life is loving, honest, and unflinching. Treat yourself to reading it before you dive into this episode–you won’t regret it.


    Join Sonja and Vanessa as they explore what ‘SALEM’S LOT owes to the Gothic tradition, and to Bram Stoker’s DRACULA, in particular. With Stoker in mind, we also consider King’s use of female characters. Do we like them? Is there a Mina Harker in this American town? Is there a vampy Lucy, snacking on innocent American children?


    There’s for sure a creepy house–the Marsten House–and we will discuss parallels with Hill House, given that we dedicated an episode to Shirley Jackson’s THE HAUNTING OF HILL HOUSE, and King literally quotes and references her novel in ‘SALEM’S LOT.


    Finally, as we’ve established this season, writers use Gothic to metaphorically explore a real-life fear…King’s Gothic work is no exception, but for him, it’s not patriarchy. It is, however, not unrelated to patriarchy, and it goes back to a story that’s one of the oldest and most influential in human history. Hint: think talking snake.


    Along the way, we bump into Sigmund Freud and a priest with “serious mojo,” Sonja explains how to ward off a vampire when at the doctor’s office, and Vanessa makes a rare comment about being older than her co-host.


    REFERENCES


    Check out our episodes on Shirley Jackson’s THE HAUNTING OF HILL HOUSE and on Bram Stoker’s DRACULA.

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    56 mins
  • Can Women be Funny? Lynn Harris Has Thoughts
    Nov 28 2025

    Thanksgiving is a time to be grateful for the amazing women in your life, and in honor of that, we’re proud to air this fresh, energetic, edgy interview with comedian, author, and entrepreneur, Lynn Harris. Lynn has lived and breathed comedy for over 30 years, and she has dedicated over a decade to bringing more diversity into comedy through her company, Gold Comedy, by offering classes, resources, and a supportive network of people in the industry who help women and non-binary people bring their humor to an audience for fun or as a career move.


    Comedians, after all, are storytellers. And, at IWAW, we are all about how stories shape reality. From a female perspective, what kind of reality are we living when so few women get to share what is funny or absurd about their daily life? We all know there is comedy in our jobs, our kids, our spouses, and our weird, wildly fluctuating female bodies…so why isn’t there a deep bench of women to explore our existence with the vital energy that only comedy offers?


    It won’t take long for Lynn to convince you that many, many more women should be in comedy–and that the underrepresentation of women has NOTHING to do with whether they are funny. It has to do with traditionally-male pipelines, legacies, networks, and gatekeeping. Lynn has worked hard over the last decade, creating a new structure to help women and non-binary people find their “crew.” If you’ve ever felt like you or someone you know “missed their calling” by not being on stage or writing for a comedy show, don’t miss this chance to hear about Gold Comedy, built to help make those dreams come true.


    REFERENCES:


    Check out Gold Comedy's Website, and you’ll be impressed by all the resources available to any woman who has an internet connection.


    If you are interested in the Gold Comedy discount offer via our podcast, please write to IWAWpod@gmail.com.


    Check out links to comedians Lynn recommends: Murray Hill's website, Cameron Esposito's website, Cole Escola's website, Maria Bamford's website, Naomi Ekperigin's website, Bob the Drag Queen's website, the United Talent Agency’s page for Julio Torres, and Karry Coddett's website.


    For more info on the Miss Piggy Movie, check out this article.

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    1 hr and 1 min
  • S4 E8 The Haunting of Hill House by Shirley Jackson
    Nov 21 2025

    WARNING: This episode contains SPOILERS!!!!


    In 1959, one hundred and sixty five years after Ann Radcliffe’s THE MYSTERIES OF UDOLPHO, one might reasonably have thought that there was nothing new to be found under the gloomy Gothic moon. Such a supposition, however, would be discounting the immense talent of Shirley Jackson, one of America’s greatest writers.


    In THE HAUNTING OF HILL HOUSE, Jackson not only created a uniquely terrifying novel–per the master horror writer, Stephen King— but she also innovates the Gothic genre. In this episode, Sonja and Vanessa explore what it was about Jackson’s life that made her the only person who could write this singular book. And yet, despite HILL HOUSE's sui generis status, the novel depicts a widespread, bleak existence that many female readers of the mid-twentieth century would have recognized. Jackson fully explores the metaphorical possibilities of the Gothic genre to dramatize invisible forces shaping 1950's and 1960's American women’s identities, dreams, and place in the fabled nuclear family.


    Along the way, Sonja speculates on the possibility that all children carry a dash of the demonic, and Vanessa confirms that the family “portrait” that Sonja thinks is naked is, indeed, naked.


    REFERENCES:


    Here is a link to the article by Barb Lien-Cooper that makes the case that Hill House works to rid itself of the non-Crain-family guests, not unlike the Oscar Wilde story, "The Canterville Ghost," (that is mentioned in Jackson’s novel).


    Vanessa quotes a writer wondering if we are beyond needing a haunted house metaphor to express the condition of women’s lives, and it’s worth checking out the whole article, by C.J. Hauser, entitled “Some Reasons My Niece is Probably the Reincarnation of Shirley Jackson.”


    To read about what Vanessa calls the “happy ending” theory, check out this fascinating 2017 article by Brittany Roberts, “Helping Eleanor Come Home: A Reassessment of Shirley Jackson’s The Haunting of Hill House.” Roberts makes a very convincing argument that the house is actually trying to help Eleanor. Roberts argues: “If previous readings of Hill House have largely focused on the relationship between Eleanor and Hill House as abusive and unidirectional, a relationship that ignites a process of madness and dissolution of selfhood for Eleanor, I instead argue that the process undergone by Eleanor and Hill House is one of mutual fulfilment, a process of accommodating one another’s needs. As I demonstrate, Hill House encourages Eleanor to achieve the romance of isolation that she fantasises about, thereby propelling Eleanor to actualise both the self she has begun to construct through fantasy and her most inwardly cherished desires.15 In return, Eleanor provides a genuine love and appreciation for Hill House and the seclusion, isolation, and silence it promises. Far from participating in the dissolution of Eleanor’s selfhood, then, Hill House, and the many nonhuman emblems of domesticity and seclusion that Eleanor comes to care for throughout the novel, are instead co-creators of Eleanor’s newfound identity.”

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    1 hr and 4 mins
  • S4 E7 A Haunted Marriage: Rebecca by Daphne Du Maurier
    Nov 14 2025

    Welcome to Manderley…or, rather, the romantic dream of Manderley. Who needs a repurposed abbey or a Alpine castle when you have the genuine fire-devastated, ivy-swarmed, misty ruins of a historic manor house along the tempestuous north Atlantic coast? As if that were not Gothic enough, let’s go all out with an orphaned heroine and a very carefully guarded family secret.


    SPOILERS Ahoy when you join Sonja and Vanessa as they discuss this 1938 bestseller, REBECCA. It’s often promoted as a Gothic romance…but is it? Is Maxim De Winter a proper Gothic hero? Would you ride in his car? Are there real ghosts? How are we defining a haunting? Is our unnamed narrator reliable? Do we like her? Do the servants–once again–add a vital dimension to the mood and twists to the plot? And which Mrs. De Winter wins? It probably depends on how you feel about having tea with bread and butter.


    Along the way, Sonja redefines “gentle flirtation,” and Vanessa blushes, perusing a sexy botanical Tinder profile.


    REFERENCES:


    The edition of REBECCA with the really insightful Afterword by Sally Beauman that Vanessa mentions is the 2023 Back Bay Books Edition.

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    1 hr and 1 min
  • S4 E6 The Turn of the Screw: Henry James's Ultimate Gothic Mind...Screw?
    Nov 7 2025

    If you’ve ever contemplated a governess career, perhaps Henry James’s THE TURN OF THE SCREW will give you pause. Or maybe this bite-sized Gothic ghost story will thrill you with the chance of being in charge of a beautiful English country house with no master to tell you what to do. But choose your adventure carefully because you might end up haunted and/or crazy and/or murdering someone.


    Join Sonja and Vanessa as they do a quick Henry James 101, and explore WITH SPOILERS his classic, 1898 ghost story. Are there ghosts? Is the governess losing her mind? Why did Miles get expelled from boarding school? Are Miles and Flora the OG creepy literary kids? What role does hysteria play? Is there a spell cast over the entire plot? Is the story a trap to catch the reader? How does the novella, set at Bly Manor, link to the Netfilx show, THE HAUNTING OF BLY MANOR?


    We’ll address these questions, and along the way, Sonja will propose a sexy theory, and Vanessa will suggest that the bosom can be a murder weapon.



    REFERENCES:


    While we did not look at JANE EYRE as a Gothic tale, we did think about whether it counts as a female odyssey in Season 1: Can a Lowly Governess Have an Odyssey?


    Here is an overview of James Literary Criticism, including Edmund Wilson’s influential article, “The Ambiguity of Henry James” from 1934.


    Here is the article about how Henry James felt about Jane Austen.


    For more information about the Hysteria Diagnosis in the late 19th/early 20th century, check out this link.


    Here’s a great article celebrating the ambiguity of Turn of the Screw.


    Here is a link to the article that offers Henry James's take on several women writers that Vanessa cites in the episode.

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    54 mins