This episode was recorded on September 21, 2021, but we never shared it until now.

Gabby Petito's body was found 2 days before recording this episode. She had been strangled to death.

Host, Criminal psychologist Dr John Matthias, has worked for years with victims of domestic violence. In this episode he discusses the top risk factors for violent relationships.

Domestic Abuse Hotline: 1-800-799-7233

About Hidden True Crime:

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

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In this episode, Lauren and Dr. John discuss the new docu-series "Devil in the Family: The Fall of Ruby Franke."

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

Since the recording of this video, the mother of the infant thrown from the hotel window in Paris has been placed into a psychiatric facility to receive treatment. Her identity has also been released as 18 year old Mia Mcquillin

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

Sources:

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https://youtu.be/NgAF0SVnouw?si=19hHn21rbvxkvt1n

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

Sources:

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This episode was recorded on September 22, 2021, but we never shared it until now.

Gabby Petito's body was found three days before recording this episode. She had been strangled to death, just as Dr John had explained was a concern, after seeing Gabby demonstrate to Moab Police how Brian held her jaw during their argument that day.

We continue to assess what we saw in the body cam footage, and we dedicate this episode to all victims of domestic violence.

Host, Criminal psychologist Dr John Matthias, has worked for years with victims of domestic violence.

Domestic Abuse Hotline: 1-800-799-7233

About Hidden True Crime:

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

This full analysis of the Moab Utah Police body Cam footage was recorded on September 16th, 2021, while Gabby Petito was still missing. It has never been published on this podcast, until now.

Host, Criminal psychologist Dr John Matthias, has worked for years with victims of domestic violence and he shares here what he recognized the very day the footage came down– while the world still hoped to bring Gabby home.

If Gabby Petito taught us anything, it is that signs of domestic violence and abusive relationships are often hidden in plain sight.

Domestic Abuse Hotline: 1-800-799-7233

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

This interview took place on September 17th, 2021, while Gabby Petito was still missing.

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

New revelations in the Shanna Gardner case have come out. Join Lauren as she recaps the updates, followed by Dr. John giving his thoughts on what Shanna's behavior may be showing.

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

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https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/crime/jared-bridegan-murder-shanna-gardner-jail-violations-drugs-theft/77-d839ed7b-5576-42cb-a937-5ad0cfcc96e3

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2025/02/13/shanna-gardner-accused-in-murder-for-hire-case-stole-from-inmate-had-makeshift-tattoo-device-in-jail-report-says/

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https://sjcitizen.com/woman-charged-killing-st-johns-county-ex-husband-finds-new-lover-cited-theft-prison/

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