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Think you need more leads? Think again. In this episode, Sasha Berson connects with Michael Patrick Strauch, a leading legal sales expert, to expose the hidden gaps that are silently killing your signed case numbers. Michael breaks down how top firms consistently convert 2–3x more clients from the same lead flow by changing how their intake teams connect, communicate, and close.

📰 About Michael Patrick Strauch:
Michael is a legal sales expert who works exclusively with law firms on optimizing intake, consultations, and closing. As Partner at Your Practice Mastered, a firm founded in 2009 that has helped 1,000+ law firms scale, he trains non-attorney closers to consistently hit 65–85% set rates and 60–80% close rates. His mission: build law firms that grow without the owner carrying every role and every sale.

👉 Sasha and Michael explore:
— AI vs. human intake: when automation works and when it kills conversions
— Why most intake teams never ask the right questions
— The hidden cost of “hot transfers”… and what converts better
— How to rescue the 30% of prospects who book but never show
— Data every law firm must track weekly to stay profitable

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Have intake build an emotional connection before scheduling the consult.

— Track set + close rates weekly and aim for 65–85% set and 60–80% close consistently.

— Implement a 10–12 touch follow-up workflow across calls, text, and email.

— Put trained non-attorney closers in charge of consultations.

— Use AI only to support reminders and routing — never as the first human touch.

📞 Connect with Michael Patrick Strauch:

• Website: https://www.theclosingroom.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-strauch-mps-28403864/

📞Connect with Sasha Berson:
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growlaw
• Email: info@growlaw.co
• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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Most law firms are bleeding talent — especially women — because Big Law is still obsessed with 80-hour weeks. In this episode, Sasha Berson chats with Leslee Cohen, who built a powerhouse Chicago firm by hiring top lawyers with one shared deal-breaker: they refused to sacrifice life for their career. Big Law said no. Leslee said yes — and it changed everything. She reveals how her team delivers elite work, maintains sky-high retention, and has a culture people genuinely love.

📰 About Leslee Cohen:
Leslee Cohen is a brilliant corporate and M&A attorney with 30+ years of deal-making experience, including 20 years in Big Law on Wall Street. Today, she runs AllRise Legal Counsel — a fast-growing firm that pairs top-tier legal talent with a flexible culture that Big Law can’t compete with. Her mission: help founders raise capital, scale fast, and land life-changing exits, without the burnout.

👉 Sasha and Leslee explore:
— The main reason women leave Big Law, and how your firm can be the solution

— A zero-turnover hiring model that any firm can copy

— Why flexibility is now a competitive advantage in the legal world

— How to attract elite lawyers without paying Big Law salaries

— The culture shift that makes teams “go the extra mile” automatically

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Audit your team’s flexibility needs (confidential 1:1 convos — ask what they actually need)

— Fix recognition gaps by implementing weekly shout-outs or wins

— Stop résumé-gap bias by recruiting on experience and alignment, not perfect timelines

— Measure retention like a profit metric (track tenure, replacement costs, lost productivity)

— Allow ownership to let your team suggest improvements, and implement the good ones immediately

📞 Connect with Leslee Cohen:

• Website: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leslee-cohen/

• LinkedIn: https://www.allriselawyers.com/

📞Connect with Sasha Berson:
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growlaw
• Email: info@growlaw.co
• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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Imagine signing 1,200 clients a month, without burning out OR hiring like crazy. In this episode, Sasha Berson sits down with Sam Mollaei, a 37-year-old attorney who runs 6 law firms (yes, 6)! Together, they break down the formula that lets Sam land as many as 1,200 clients every month — fueled by social media ads, airtight systems, and a team empowered by AI. Don’t let the market eat you alive. Tune in now.

📰 About Sam Mollaei:
Sam Mollaei is a serial law firm entrepreneur and CEO of 6 AI-powered law firms. After helping 1,400+ firms scale and automate — and signing up 70,000+ clients himself — he now builds and invests in high-growth legal brands at Tov Law Group. His focus: autonomous law firms that use marketing, automation, and AI to deliver lean teams and real profitability.

👉 Sasha and Sam explore:

— Why social media ads are the *best* client acquisition tool

— Survival Rate: The new KPI that exposes revenue leaks most lawyers never notice

— How top firms confidently spend up to 33% on case acquisition — and stay wildly profitable

— The blueprint behind 1,200+ clients/month (with systems any firm can copy)

— Why AI will run 80–90% of law firm operations sooner than you think

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Every week, audit where every lead, qualified lead, and signed client comes from

— Fix responsiveness and doc collection to instantly boost revenue from clients you already signed

— Use AI to shrink overhead and eliminate the bottlenecks slowing you down

— Confidently invest up to 1/3 of a case’s value when cases prove profitable

📞 Connect with Sam Mollaei:

• Website: https://mollaeilaw.com/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sammollaei/

📞Connect with Sasha Berson:
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growlaw
• Email: info@growlaw.co
• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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Think you know SEO? Think again! In this episode, Sasha Berson sits down with Chris Dreyer, CEO of Rankings.io, to uncover how AI search tools like ChatGPT — that now own 27% of search traffic — are shaking up the legal marketing world! From E-E-A-T to Justia and Yelp, Chris reveals the new rules of visibility today. Discover how to compete and win in the age of AI.

📰 About Chris Dreyer:
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and Founder of Rankings.io, an award-winning SEO agency helping elite personal injury law firms dominate Google’s first page. As a leading voice in legal marketing, Chris is also the host of the Personal Injury Mastermind podcast. He has dedicated his career to helping attorneys break through the noise and build the kind of firms that change lives — including their own.

👉 Sasha and Chris explore:
— How ChatGPT and AI search are reshaping law firm SEO.
— Why 27% of all legal search traffic has shifted away from Google (and what’s next).
— The new ranking factors: E-E-A-T, case results, and third-party credibility.
— Why directories like Yelp and Justia are skyrocketing and how to use them.
— The future of visibility: mastering Search Everywhere Optimization before your competitors do.

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Audit your website today: make sure your case results page is updated and syndicated to trusted third-party sites.

— Strengthen your E-E-A-T — add author bios, showcase credentials, and highlight experience on every major page.

— Claim and optimize your profiles on Justia, Yelp, and Avvo.

— Meet with your marketing team this week to discuss an AI search readiness plan. Don’t wait until competitors outrank you.

📞 Connect with Chris Dreyer:

• Website: https://chrisdreyer.co/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisdreyerco

📞Connect with Sasha Berson:
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growlaw
• Email: info@growlaw.co
• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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Stop telling your associates to “just get out there.” In this episode, Sasha Berson sits down with Steve Fretzin to pinpoint what it takes to get your team to bring in business nonstop. Steve breaks down why most firms fail at business development (hint: it’s not because they’re lazy), and how a quietly toxic culture is killing your firm. Bonus: Get a few hard-hitting numbers (like how much every $10K case should cost to acquire).

📰 About Steve Fretzin:
Steve Fretzin is one of the world’s top business development coaches for attorneys — and a man who knows how to use second chances. After surviving a plane crash, Steve dedicated his life to helping lawyers take control of their careers, master client acquisition, and become the trusted advisor clients can’t live without. He’s the host of the BE THAT LAWYER podcast, hitting 500+ episodes and reaching listeners in 50+ countries.

👉 Sasha and Steve explore:
— Don’t wing business development — study the game first.

— Culture, transparency, and leadership beat bonuses every time.

— Pay fairly for case acquisition (15% is your magic number).

— Every year, remove a hat — don’t keep adding them.

— The fastest path to growth: Get a coach who’s already done it.

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Audit your team’s comp plan, and add clear origination credit for new business.

— Pick one role to delegate this year and commit to removing that hat for good.

— Choose one area of your firm to improve and hire a specialized coach to fast-track it.

— Create transparency: publish how bonuses, promotions, and goals are measured.

📞 Connect with Steve Fretzin:

• Website: https://fretzin.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevefretzin

• Podcast: https://fretzin.com/podcast/

📞Connect with Sasha Berson:
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growlaw
• Email: info@growlaw.co
• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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Profit. Taxes. Exit. Your future hangs in the balance. In this episode, Sasha Berson sits down with Emil Abedian, a 20-year accounting veteran, to talk profit, taxes, and the tough reality of scaling. From his early days in Sweden to advising multimillion-dollar firms in Los Angeles, Emil has seen it all. Today, he shares how law firm owners can borrow smart, hire faster, and plan their exit — while making tax planning more profitable!

📰 About Emil Abedian:
Emil Abedian knows what keeps law firm owners up at night — taxes, cash flow, and growth. As the founder and CEO of Counsel CPAs, this 20-year accounting pro helps law firm owners keep more of what they earn and exit richer. Emil also serves as CFO and board member of the Swedish American Chamber of Commerce of Greater Los Angeles and of the Mentor Foundation USA.

👉 Sasha and Emil explore:
— How to break free from the “high-paying job” trap

— How to budget, borrow smart, and scale from $2M to $5M

— How to make taxes (i.e., your #1 expense) actually profitable with strategic planning

— How a $10M firm used tax strategy to save $800K

— The three-year roadmap to exit your firm without getting crushed by a 40% tax hit

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Fire yourself from daily tasks; your firm should run without you.

— Budget your growth: every $1M in revenue usually needs about $150K in marketing fuel.

— Meet your CPA quarterly, not yearly — tax planning only works before April.

— Start exit planning 3 years in advance to avoid handing 40% of your sale to the IRS.

📞 Connect with Emil Abedian:

• Website: https://www.counselcpas.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilabedian

📞Connect with Sasha Berson:
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growlaw
• Email: info@growlaw.co
• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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Imagine your time is worth $400,000 a minute. Now, start acting like it. In this episode, Sasha Berson welcomes John Kormanik, a former criminal defense attorney turned certified coach, to unpack the “billionaire mindset”. John shares how overworked attorneys can break free from burnout — and overcome the five biggest myths holding them back!

📰 About John Kormanik:
John Kormanik is a former criminal defense attorney turned certified coach, keynote speaker, and author of Break the Law: A Story of a Reimagined Legal Career and a Reclaimed Life. After 24 years in law and 16 years managing his own firm, John now helps accomplished attorneys master focus, banish burnout, and build firms that fuel their lives.

👉 Sasha and John explore:
— How to switch to the $400,000-minute mindset and stop losing billable time.
— The 5 biggest lies lawyers tell themselves (and how to break free from each one).
— How to escape the “always on” trap and finally take control of your focus.

— Why intentional leadership will transform both your business and your life.

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Audit your time like it’s money — cut anything that isn’t worth your hourly rate.

— Set firm boundaries: no 24/7 availability.

— Schedule “thinking time” weekly; real CEOs don’t just work, they think.

— Define what freedom actually looks like for you, and start designing your firm around it today.

📞 Connect with John Kormanik:

• Website: https://www.johnrkormanik.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnrkormanik/

• Book: https://www.amazon.com/Break-Law-Reimagined-Career-Reclaimed/dp/B0DHJK1XG1

📞Connect with Sasha Berson:
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growlaw
• Email: info@growlaw.co
• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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Chicago is a brutally competitive market, and yet… Jonathan Merel survived the odds and built a colossal family law practice with 23 attorneys spanning three offices. In today’s episode of the GLF podcast, Sasha Berson and Jonathan explore how the latter went from maxing out credit cards in 2009 to leading a multimillion-dollar firm powered by the right culture and relentless marketing.

📰 About Jonathan Merel:
Jonathan Merel is the founder and managing partner of Merel Family Law, ranked among Chicago’s top 5 family law firms. What began in 2009 as a two-person operation has grown into a powerhouse with 23 attorneys, 40+ team members, and three offices across the city. He is living proof of what happens when you build a reputation on culture, client service, and relentless marketing.

👉 Sasha and Jonathan explore:
— Why culture and hiring the right people are the backbone of your growth.

— The client-generating tactics that still work: community events, sponsorships, and grassroots visibility.

— Why reputation and reviews matter more than any ad campaign.

— How shifting from lawyer to CEO will transform the way you run your firm.

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Audit your firm’s culture: question if your current team reflects the values you want to scale.
— Start building visibility today: sponsor one local event or attend a networking group.
— Treat marketing as a non-negotiable investment. Even a small budget compounds.

— Shift into CEO mode by delegating one task this week so you can work on the business, not just in it.

📞 Connect with Jonathan Merel:

• Website: https://merelfamilylaw.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanmerel

📞Connect with Sasha Berson:
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growlaw
• Email: info@growlaw.co
• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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