In part two of this series Sascha and I talk about the concept of fledging more generally: what happens when we're tossed from our nest into inhospitable landscapes? Has the goal always been to send our young ones off to better worlds? What happens when we stayed close and built something complex nearby each other?

We also think about the many ways we've thrown ourselves from nests - the ways we've found ourselves too large and crowded and bravely leaped for spaces that might hold more of us more completely.

The two episodes in this series are a recording of a long conversation Sascha and I had whilst sitting in a mountain house in Georgia. Over coffee and tiny supermarket donuts we talked for (literal) hours about our maternal lines: where our mothers' people came from, the gifts and challenges of their particular nests, how they sent their young ones out into the world. We wonder about fledging - how a strong and functional flock gets formed.

In episode one we go deep into our stories. Included are such topics as: logging camps in Florida, supermarket chains, voyages across the Atlantic and miracles of various types. We welcome you to get to know us, our mothers and our mothers' mothers!

In this episode Sascha and I respond to some frequently asked (and a few unasked) questions about The Grief House.

The sound quality is a little off in this episode. You might ask
Q: Laura, did you chose to record this sitting cross legged in an armchair with your microphone balanced on a pile of books balanced on your lap?

And I would have to answer
A: Yes, I did. At the time I was delighted by how much it made me feel like an otter, but now I see the folly of my ways.

Perhaps imagining me as a misguided otter will help you feel better about how hard it is to hear and understand me in this episode? If not be reassured that Sascha is crystal clear and very worth listening to, and I have every plan to return to my desk next time around!