Recent surveys are suggesting that Americans are losing confidence in higher education, even to the point of feeling like college isn't worth the cost. David Hawkins, Chief Education and Policy Officer for NACAC, joins Joel and Chris to talk about these surveys and the current college landscape. Were the right people surveyed? Which colleges are we talking about? Why have costs risen so much? David takes us on a fantastic discussion! Here are some of his resources referenced in the episode: Federal Research Bank Anchor Economy Initiative: https://www.philadelphiafed.org/community-development/workforce-and-economic-development/anchor-economy-initiative College Board Education Pays: https://research.collegeboard.org/trends/education-pays Bureau of Labor Statistics Education Pays: https://www.bls.gov/emp/chart-unemployment-earnings-education.htm National Center for Education Statistics, Study of College Costs and Prices 1988-89 to 1997-98 (Congressionally mandated study): https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2002/2002157.pdf Higher Education Price Index: https://www.commonfund.org/higher-education-price-index College Board Trends in College Pricing: https://research.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/Trends%20Report%202023%20Updated.pdf Music on this episode comes from Normcore always (https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Normcore/Neighbors/Heartless_Man).