Rich Logis, a former die-hard MAGA follower and founder of Leaving MAGA, joins us for this episode of Frankly, a Really American media podcast with former FBI director Frank Figliuzzi and Chip Franklin.

Fighting back against MAGA is not easy, as we heard first-hand from former GOP Congressman Adam Kinzinger last week. As Chip said, “So it makes me think that if you were going to leave MAGA, the smartest thing to do is be quiet. But our next guest has not chosen that route. He has become the impetus behind this organization called Leaving MAGA and that's a pretty big risk.”

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In this episode you’ll be taken on a journey deep down the MAGA rabbit hole to find out what makes folks like Rich gravitate to Trumpworld in the first place. You’ll hear the story of how the movement overtook his life and why he eventually disavowed MAGA. You’ll also find out exactly what he’s doing now to empower others to do the same.

Rich uses his unique perspective to help our listeners understand what it will take to reconcile with MAGA supporters and shares guidance on how we can all better approach the conversation with friends and family. He also has a strong prediction about what’s going to happen in November that you’re not going to want to miss.

Now, Rich is running Leaving MAGA, “a safe, non-judgmental community for those who leave MAGA, as well as for those who are having doubts about, or remorse over, their devotion to Trump and MAGA.”

“My time in MAGA did strain, to some extent, my relationships with my wife and kids. And I know that's happening by the millions. There are millions of Americans who are estranged from and alienated from their friends and their loved ones. That's why reconciliation is so crucial as part of the work of Leaving MAGA. In very simple terms: We're a destination for those who leave.”

You can find out more at LeavingMAGA.org, and be sure to follow Rich on Twitter @LeavingMAGA, and @PerfectOurUnion.