In this enlightening episode of Father and Joe, Joe Rockey and Father Boniface Hicks dive deep into the journey of becoming a saint, breaking down the practical steps that lead to holiness. Drawing parallels between mastering worldly skills and growing in faith, they offer insights into how we can gradually build the habits of virtue that will lead us closer to Christ.

Joe starts by reflecting on how seemingly difficult tasks, like getting on the front page of Google, appear impossible until we learn the specific steps. He compares this to the spiritual journey: “Many people have this feeling of becoming a saint as so strange or foreign that there’s no way I'd be able to do it.” However, just as with learning a skill, holiness requires consistent effort and daily practice.

Father Boniface builds on this by discussing the importance of making Christ a part of our everyday actions. He explains that “learning Christ” is more than a mental process—it's something that must be embodied, much like learning to play a musical instrument. “We grow through repetition, we grow through failure, we grow through learning from our mistakes,” Father says, emphasizing that holiness isn’t a talent we’re born with; it’s something we cultivate through persistent practice and effort.

One of the most powerful points Father makes is that grace is not something we "do" alone—it’s something we let God do through us. “What steadily happens is His thoughts become my thoughts, His logic becomes my logic.” As we practice virtue and live in Christ, we begin to see the world through His eyes. This spiritual growth transforms us internally, allowing us to naturally live out our faith with ease, joy, and promptitude, even in difficult situations.

Father Boniface also addresses the fear many Christians have of failure. “Nothing of value is possible to do the first time perfectly. We have to keep growing in it and figure out where the hard spots are for us.” This applies to every aspect of our faith journey. By embracing vulnerability, sharing our struggles with trusted individuals, and recognizing that growth often comes through trial and error, we can make meaningful spiritual progress.

The conversation also turns to the challenges of standing up for faith in a world where not everyone will understand or agree. As Joe points out, many of us fear alienation when we speak about our beliefs. But Father reminds us that even Jesus wasn't liked by everyone: “There’s never going to be a moment when everyone is happy with us.” Nevertheless, we must have the courage to share our faith, trusting that God will guide our steps.

Whether you're someone struggling with how to live out your faith in everyday life, or just looking for practical ways to deepen your relationship with Christ, this episode will inspire and guide you. It’s a powerful reminder that holiness is not only possible—it’s something within reach if we practice, trust, and allow God’s grace to work through us.

Join Joe and Father Boniface as they tackle these vital topics:

How consistent practice and failure lead to holiness
Why holiness is a skill you develop, just like any other
How to build habits of virtue in your everyday life
Overcoming the fear of failure and social rejection
The importance of relationship and vulnerability in your spiritual growth
Learning how to embody Christ in everything you do
If you’re looking for a way to make your faith an integral part of your daily life, this episode is for you. Hit the subscribe button, leave us a review, and start your journey toward holiness today.

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