Today's episode is Part Two of our conversation with Nic McKinley, an entrepreneur, former military special operator, and ex-CIA operative who led two multimillion-dollar tech companies.

We pick up our dialogue about human trafficking in the United States, and the role of DeliverFund, a non-profit he founded and led, which delivers data and technology to law enforcement, working with more than 500 agencies, and enabling them to take down the traffickers. We examine the role pornography plays in the trafficking process, and Nic asks: "How can men be better men?"

Despite being dubbed “The Real Jack Ryan” by VICE Media, Nic tells Liss 'N Kristi his most important role is as a husband and father leading his family in a life of service and adventure in Montana. When he is not in his office, he can be found on a lake, on the ski slopes, camping, climbing vertical rock or ice in the mountains, with his nose in a book learning something new, or spending downtime with his wife, Danielle.

Last year, Men's Journal wrote: "In a world yearning for genuine heroes, Nic McKinley stands as a testament to selflessness, core values, and dedication, truly a ‘man for others'."

Nic's Website:-
https://www.nicmckinley.com/

DeliverFund's Website:-
https://www.deliverfund.org

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
https://www.missingkids.org/home

STORIES:

(00:00) Start

(00:12) Impact of AI on Human Trafficking - helping the search but damaging the culture

(00:55) "Desensitizing our sons"

(02:03) "What people watch, they ultimately want to act out"

(05:04) The new supercomputers

(08:30) The Elizabeth Smart kidnapping case

(09:25) New smart strategies to combat human trafficking

(12:42) A big donor: "He's like Elon Musk with better human skills"

(13:55) "We can help the law enforcement agencies, we just can't help them all at once"

(14:58) How can you help a Mom whose child has been trafficked?

(15:28) The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children

(16:20) I know a lot of men in Texas and, god forbid, I gave them the location of their daughter. Um, they're going to go rescue their daughter and then probably go to prison for murder.

(17:25) Jeffrey Epstein's "list"

(18:55) The primary effort should be against the traffickers themselves.

(20:12) Andrew Tate and his movement believe women are objects

(20:58) "Our place is to go after the thing that makes the system work"

(21:44) Many of society's problems can be traced back to fatherless homes

(22:55) "We should fight against the worst side of ourselves"

(23:45) "We should use our intellect to protect not to exploit"

(24:45) "If you are a man and you're logging into pornography, you are the problem"

(25:30) The role of Tiktok and other social media platforms

(27:00) The Patriots owner in the massage parlour

(28:10) The story of Noah, groomed and abducted by a predator he met online

(28:58) Is the reaction sadness, or anger?

(34:10) "There's no such thing as toxic masculinity. There's masculinity, and that is either used for good or bad"

(37:17) Are you going to fight the bear?

(40:52) The politics of human trafficking, and what to ask

(42:15) How to contact Nic