What if we've made following Jesus more complicated than he ever intended?

In this episode of Called Beyond, host Tim Shuck welcomes leadership coach, author, and Arable founder Karl Martin for a conversation about what it really means to be deeply rooted in Christ. Together they explore why true discipleship isn't about doing more for Jesus, but about living more fully with him.

Drawing from Colossians 2 and the imagery of the Parable of the Sower, Karl challenges many of the assumptions we've inherited about leadership, evangelism, and spiritual growth. Rather than striving to produce fruit through greater effort, he invites us to cultivate healthy roots through generosity, obedience, worship, and an ever-deepening awareness of our identity in Christ.

Whether you're wrestling with a major life decision, longing to experience God more personally, or simply tired of performance-driven faith, this conversation offers a refreshing invitation to trust the Spirit's work from the inside out.

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• How the condition of your heart determines the fruit your life produces.
• A fresh perspective on the Parable of the Sower and spiritual formation.
• How identity shapes leadership, discipleship, and mission.
• Practical encouragement for hearing God's voice and courageously taking your next step.

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Karl Martin is the founder of Arable, a leadership consultancy that helps leaders, teams, and organizations grow from a deeper place through authenticity, courage, kindness, and curiosity. Originally from Scotland, Karl spent more than two decades leading and planting churches before launching Arable to coach leaders across business, ministry, sports, and the nonprofit sector. He is the author of The Cave, The Road, The Table, and The Fire: Leading from a Deeper Place and now lives in Nashville with his wife, Niki. Together they have four grown daughters.

What happens when you've prayed for years…and the answer still hasn't come?

In this deeply personal conversation, Tim sits down with clinical psychologist and author Dr. Andrea ("Anny") Ganahl to explore one of the hardest realities of following Jesus: trusting God in the middle of unanswered prayer.

Beginning in John 21:15–19, where Jesus lovingly restores Peter after he denies him, Anny reflects on what it means to follow Christ when the future feels uncertain and anxiety threatens to take hold.

Drawing from both her professional expertise and her own family's ongoing journey with a prodigal son, Anny shares how God has gradually shifted her focus by faithfully revealing his presence.

Together they discuss:

• Why anxiety often grows from trying to control an unknown future
• The difference between asking God to align with our plans versus allowing our hearts to align with his
• How listening prayer has transformed Anny's relationship with God
• Practical ways journaling and Christian community help renew anxious minds
• Why God's presence often becomes the greatest answer before our prayers are fully answered
• How courage grows through waiting, not just through miracles

Whether you're carrying unanswered prayers, walking alongside someone you love, or simply longing for deeper intimacy with Jesus, this conversation offers hope that God is at work, even in our waiting. Featured Guest Dr. Anny Ganahl is a licensed clinical psychologist, speaker, and author of Victory Over Anxiety: Take Your Anxious Thoughts Captive. With more than two decades of experience, she helps people find lasting freedom from anxiety by integrating biblical truth with practical psychological tools. Passionate about listening prayer, identity in Christ, and emotional healing, Anny equips others to experience the peace that comes from God's presence. She lives in Southern California with her husband, Patrick.

If fear keeps us striving, isolating, and self-protecting, what story are we actually living inside?----more---- If you haven't heard Jamie and Norris' full episode Courageous Identity we encourage you to check that out before giving this bonus content a listen.----more----

In this bonus segment of S3 Ep7, Jamie Winship and Norris Williams discuss the difference between a worldview of separation and a worldview of connection.

Jamie describes how so much of our fear-based living is rooted in a story of scarcity—not enough, not safe, not secure, not seen—and how that story quietly shapes the way we relate to God, others, and even ourselves. Together, Jamie and Norris contrast that with the worldview of the kingdom: a life of connection, humility, receiving, and trust.

They also name one of the traps many of us fall into: building our identity around what we do for God rather than receiving what God says is already true. If the main episode invited you to name your fear, this bonus conversation helps uncover the deeper worldview underneath it.

• The difference between a worldview of separation and a worldview of connection
• Why scarcity, self-protection, and self-promotion are signs of fear-based living
• How even “good” identities can keep us disconnected from our true identity in Christ
• Why maturity in the kingdom is measured more by receiving than by producing
• How confession, repentance, and transformation work together
• Jamie’s framework for change: truth tell → mind change → form change

The kingdom of God is not built on separation, scarcity, and striving. It is built on connection to God, to others, and to the truth of who we really are. Freedom begins when we tell the truth about the lies we believe and learn to receive what God has been saying all along.

Jamie Winship has spent decades helping people discover their true identity, overcome fear, and navigate conflict with wisdom and courage. A former law enforcement officer, his work has taken him from local communities to some of the world’s most challenging conflict regions. Today, Jamie coaches leaders across business, government, education, sports, and ministry. He is the author of Living Fearless and The War of Worldviews, and co-founded Identity Exchange with his wife, Donna.

Norris Williams has spent more than five decades helping people discover their true identity and live with greater freedom, courage, and purpose. As part of Novo’s global partner team, he works alongside national leaders around the world, helping identify, develop, and support disciple-making movements. With experience spanning agriculture, professional sports, ranching, biblical studies, and mentorship, Norris brings a rare blend of wisdom, humility, and practical insight to his work.

What if courage doesn’t begin with trying harder—but with remembering who you are?

In this episode of Called Beyond, Tim is joined by Jamie Winship and Norris Williams for a conversation rooted in Romans 8:15–17 and centered around on one critical question for all of us to consider:

What are you afraid of right now?

Together, Jamie and Norris explore the difference between living from fear and living from the freedom of our identity as sons and daughters of God. They unpack how fear fuels performance, self-protection, and false identity—and how the Spirit of adoption invites us into a different way of living marked by truth, humility, freedom, and courage.

This conversation is for anyone who feels stuck in striving, weary from performing, or unsure how to hear God’s voice in the middle of ordinary life. If fear has been shaping your decisions more than you’d like to admit, this episode offers a better starting point: not proving yourself to God, but receiving from the Father who already calls you his own.

• Why fear and love lead us in radically different directions
• How performance can become a form of spiritual slavery
• The connection between fear, false identity, and self-protection
• Why courage isn’t proving yourself—it’s believing what is true
• How God meets us in our fear with his presence rather than a formula
• What it looks like to live as a beloved son or daughter

Fear closes us off to God, to others, and even to ourselves. But the Spirit of adoption tells a different story. When we live from our true identity as sons and daughters of God, we no longer have to perform, protect, or prove ourselves. Courage grows as we receive what is true and trust that God is with us.

Jamie Winship has spent decades helping people discover their true identity, overcome fear, and navigate conflict with wisdom and courage. A former law enforcement officer, his work has taken him from local communities to some of the world’s most challenging conflict regions. Today, Jamie coaches leaders across business, government, education, sports, and ministry. He is the author of Living Fearless and The War of Worldviews, and co-founded Identity Exchange with his wife, Donna.

Norris Williams has spent more than five decades helping people discover their true identity and live with greater freedom, courage, and purpose. As part of Novo’s global partner team, he works alongside national leaders around the world, helping identify, develop, and support disciple-making movements. With experience spanning agriculture, professional sports, ranching, biblical studies, and mentorship, Norris brings a rare blend of wisdom, humility, and practical insight to his work.

• Living Fearless by Jamie Winship
• The War of Worldviews by Jamie Winship

To learn more about Novo and our work to spark and sustain movements of the gospel among the nations, visit our website. You can also follow us on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube.

What makes spiritual roots healthy enough to withstand life's droughts and storms?

In this episode of Called Beyond, Tim sits down with longtime Novo missionaries Steve Hoke and Myra Perrine to explore the powerful imagery of Jeremiah 17:7–8. Drawing from decades of ministry experience, Steve and Myra reflect on the importance of trust, authenticity, vulnerability, and abiding in God's love as essential foundations for a life that bears lasting fruit.

Together, they share personal stories of hardship, healing, and spiritual formation, revealing how God often deepens our roots through seasons we would never choose for ourselves.

Whether you're walking through a difficult season or simply longing to grow deeper in your relationship with Jesus, this conversation offers wisdom and encouragement for cultivating healthy roots that endure.

Episode Highlights

• Why drought seasons can deepen our trust in God
• The connection between vulnerability and spiritual growth
• Learning to process pain instead of hiding it
• Trust as the "taproot" of faith
• How abiding in God's love transforms us from the inside out
• The role of authentic community in spiritual formation
• What it means to cultivate healthy roots that produce lasting fruit

Key Scripture

Jeremiah 17:7–8 (NLT)

"But blessed are those who trust in the Lord and have made the Lord their hope and confidence. They are like trees planted along a riverbank, with roots that reach deep into the water..."

Guest Bios

Steve Hoke has served with Novo for more than three decades, helping develop leaders, strengthen ministry teams, and equip disciple-makers around the world. A gifted teacher, mentor, and author, Steve is passionate about helping people experience the transforming grace of God and discover deeper levels of trust and dependence on Jesus.

Myra Perrine has served with Novo for more than 30 years, investing in the spiritual formation and development of ministry leaders around the world. Known for her wisdom, authenticity, and commitment to helping others experience God's love, Myra has spent decades mentoring, training, and encouraging people toward deeper intimacy with Christ.

In this episode of Called Beyond, Tim sits down with Will Jones, the founder of GoEthne, a ministry focused on evangelism, disciple-making, and equipping the local church for mission among the nations.

Through an honest and deeply moving conversation centered around Psalm 67, Will shares how God redirected the trajectory of his life.

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💬 “Be okay with being nothing. God creates something out of nothing.” — Will Jones

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• What it means to courageously obey God
• Why disciple-making is more than simply gaining knowledge
• The difference between making decisions for Jesus and becoming true followers of Jesus
• How ordinary believers can participate in God’s global mission
• The urgency of eternity and sharing the gospel
• Why humility and surrender are essential for spiritual fruitfulness

Will also shares a powerful story from his teenage years that profoundly shaped his understanding of eternity and continues to fuel his passion for evangelism today. About the Guest Will Jones is passionately in love with Jesus Christ, dedicated to reaching the lost, and loves to equip the church to do likewise. He has served as the Founder and Lead Communicator for GoEthne for over 10 years. In 2010, God called him away from the professional basketball world to minister as an evangelist. Now, he travels globally communicating the message of the Gospel and equipping the local church.

In this episode of Called Beyond Tim sits down with Cynthia Anderson, a missionary, trainer, and host of the Dare to Multiply podcast. Together, they explore what it means to remain rooted in Jesus and how a life of abiding naturally leads to multiplication.

From her upbringing in Nigeria to decades of ministry across Asia and beyond, Cynthia shares powerful stories of how God uses ordinary obedience to produce extraordinary, multiplying fruit. Whether it’s launching an online training that reached thousands across 122 nations or discipling new believers in unexpected places, her story points to one central truth: lasting fruit flows from staying connected to Jesus.

• Why abiding in Jesus—not skill or strategy—is the foundation of multiplication
• How God uses ordinary people to spark extraordinary movements
• The story behind a global disciple-making training that reached 5,000+ people in 122 nations
• A powerful full-circle moment: returning to Nigeria to see fruit among her father’s people group
• What it looks like to recognize and respond to “persons of peace”
• Why many Western believers are underestimating their role in disciple-making
• The importance of community in staying rooted and walking in step with Jesus

Cynthia Anderson is a disciple-maker, author, and global trainer with over 30 years of experience equipping believers to multiply disciples. Raised as a missionary kid in Nigeria and seasoned through hands-on ministry across Asia, she now helps activate everyday Christians to live out their calling.

Cynthia is passionate about helping everyday followers of Jesus grow in confidence that God can use them to produce lasting, multiplying fruit.

What does it look like to be deeply rooted in Christ in the middle of everyday life?

In this episode, Caleb and Ashley Farnworth share how learning to listen to the Holy Spirit has transformed ordinary, everyday moments. Parent-teacher conferences, dental appointments, and normal daily rhythms with their kids have become opportunities for Kingdom impact. Through simple obedience, the Farnworths have found that courage exists on the other side of trusting that God will speak and move as we step out in faith. From praying with patients, to raising kids who boldly practice healing prayer, this conversation explores how a life rooted in Christ produces courage and compassion towards others. As we are rooted in Christ, our lives become places where the Spirit moves freely—bringing hope, healing, and transformation to those around us.

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1. The Holy Spirit makes obedience accessible Courage grows when we trust that God is already at work—and will speak through us.

2. Slow down to hear God’s voice Intentional pauses create space to receive and share what God is saying to others.

3. Look for “pressure points” in conversations Moments of anxiety, stress, or pain often open the door to deeper spiritual conversations.

4. Everyday spaces are mission fields From classrooms to dental chairs, God is moving in ordinary environments.

5. Courage involves risk—but also reward Obedience may lead to awkwardness or resistance, but it also leads to greater fruit and favor.

6. Model Kingdom living at home Children don’t just learn faith—they catch it. A lifestyle of obedience creates generational impact.

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What's one intentional step you can take this week to partner with the Holy Spirit?

• Ask God what He wants to say to someone in your daily life
• Act on it—whether through encouragement, prayer, or a simple conversation
• Reflect on what happens and keep practicing

Consider inviting a friend to join you and share weekly stories of obedience and risk

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Caleb and Ashley Farnworth live near Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, where they are raising their four children and pursuing a lifestyle of everyday disciple-making.

Caleb works in commercial real estate while intentionally building relationships and engaging people spiritually in his community. Ashley, a dental hygienist, views her work as a mission field—creating space to care for and encourage others through prayer and presence.

Together, they are passionate about modeling a faith that is lived out daily, inviting both their family and those around them to experience the love and leadership of Jesus.