"I think that this story is eye, uh, opening in some ways because people who think they know about Operation Just Cause or Noriega or this time in history, uh, are gonna learn a few things." Leon Carroll Jr.

We’re joined on the Starline by a NCIS retired Special Agent and a former football player and a former football player and actor who plays a retired NCIS Special Agent. They’ve come together again on the road to a 2nd NYT bestseller with “Ghosts of Panama”.

We welcome Leon Carroll Jr. and Mark Harmon.

Friends, let’s go Beyond the Mic. Gentlemen. You both are always willing to share hidden experiences of NIS/NCIS agents. Why was this the perfect story to tell?

Mark, as you examined long-buried documents, what’s the one fact from this that amazed you?

You’ve covered Honolulu, and Panama. Where will the “Ghosts” series go next?

It’s time for the Rockin’ 8, 8 random questions, answer with the first thing that comes to your mind. There is no Pressure. Since we have two guests, we’ll alternate questions.

1. Leon, how many toothpicks did you chew during the writing of this book?

2. Mark, are you in favor or against UCLA playing in the Big 10?

3. Leon, best place on the North Dakota State campus to study?

4. Mark, who was the better football player, you or Leon?

5. Leon, favorite of all your locations you served as a NCIS Special Agent?

6. Mark, one thing your wife Pam depends on you to do?

7. Leon, best thing about Mark?

8. Mark, best thing about Leon?

What causes NIS / NCIS to be needed and their stories told more than ever today?

Mike Gneckow said “if their motivations is to make a difference, to do something important, they are interested in what your motivations are.” How has your motivations evolved from the first book to now?

Mark likes UCLA in the Big 10. Leon loved his time in Panama. And they want you to read their second book “Ghosts of Panama” Leon Carroll Jr. Mark Harmon thanks for taking the time to talk with us today.

And that my friends is a Beyond the Mic Short Cut.