• Away, Apart. the parting of the ways between Christianity and Judaism - Episode 3 - the finale

  • Sep 2 2024
  • Length: 37 mins
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Away, Apart. the parting of the ways between Christianity and Judaism - Episode 3 - the finale

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  • Welcome to part 3 of our history of halacha in Bayit Sheni series entitled Away Apart, the Parting of the Ways Between Judaism and Christianity. So far we have set the background by outlining the various groups that were around in the first few centuries of the common era and what their beliefs were. We explained what sources we had for our knowledge at the time and then honed in on Jesus’s teaching, his perhaps revolutionary attitude towards Rome, as well as Paul and the spread of Christianity after Jesus’s death All of this drove us towards our fundamental question when and why did a Jewish sect of Nazarenes, meaning people who followed Jesus of Nazareth, when amd how did those people, who were all Jews stop being Jewish. To put it better, how halachically could a Jewish group at that time become a goy for the purposes of things like minyan or yayin nesech amd and the like. What we found was the basic answer to our question is you can't. There doesn't seem to be a historical halachic precedent for a Jewish group doing something that transformed them into a non-jewish group. To the extent that even the Samaritans who were not really a Jewish group to begin with were considered for some halachic purposes as if they were jews. Yiddishkeit is like hotel California, you can check out any time you like but you can't ever leave Which takes us to this week. Now we start to explore various historical events which individually could not be seen as creating that schism between Jews and Christians, but adding them all up cam perhaps collectively point us in the right direction. We touch on things like the various wars between the Jews amd Rome, the malediction of the heretics, the Jewish tax, the Christians changing their calendar to move sabbath to Sunday and much more. Some of these events had a more direct impact on whether the average stam Jew in the first few decades of the 2nd century viewed a Jewish Christian as Jewish or Christian. Thank you for listening and I hope you enjoy --- Link to Birkat HaMinim in Cairo Geniza Select Bibliography Ophir, Adir and Rosen-Zvi, Ishay: Goy, Israel’s multiple Others and the Birth of the Gentile (Oxford, 2018) Cohen, Shaye J. D.: From the Maccabees to the Mishnah (Westminster John Knox Press, Third Edition, 2014) ⸺ The Beginning of Jewishness Schiffman, Lawrence H.: Who was a Jew? (Ktav, 2019) ⸺ Texts and traditions : a source reader for the study of Second Temple and rabbinic Judaism Rabbi Dr. Ari Lamm has a series of classes on this topic Faur, José: The Gospel According to the Jews (Moreshet Sepharad Publishing, 2012) Part 1 Adele Reinhartz, Especially Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAOizrgSIc0&ab_channel=JewishStudies-Fordham - h/t Malka Simkovich Toleration within Judaism and the Parting of the Ways between Judaism and Several works by E.P. Sanders Ruth Langer cursing the christians Basser, Herbert W. Studies in Exegesis (Brill, 2002) Neusner, Jacob First Century Judaism in Crisis Reuven Kimelman, “Birkat Ha-Minim and the Lack of Evidence for an Anti-Christian Jewish Prayer in Late Antiquity Brandon, S. G. F. (Samuel George Frederick), Jesus and the Zealots; a study of the political factor in primitive Christianity Solomon Zeitlin's Studies in the early history of Judaism Christianity in Talmud and Midrash, Herford, R. Travers Aharon Shemesh, “King Manasseh and the Halakhah of the Sadducees,” Journal of Jewish Studies, vol. 52, no. 1 (Spring 2001): 27-39 GOODMAN, MARTIN, et al. “TOLERATION WITHIN JUDAISM FROM THE SECOND TEMPLE TO THE PRESENT.” Liverpool University Press, 2013 The Temple in Early Christianity: Experiencing the Sacred, Eyal Regev, The Anchor Yale Bible Reference Library, 2019 ⸺ Did Early Christians Mourn the Destruction of the Temple?, TheTorah.com Instone-Brewer, David , THE EIGHTEEN BENEDICTIONS AND THE MINIM BEFORE 70 CE. The Journal of Theological Studies Published By: Oxford University Press, Vol. 54, No. 1 --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/isaacson/support
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